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02-01-2013 , 11:56 AM

#3151

Victor

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eh i think my team crushes assanis.

my bigs jus destroy his and he really has no wing advantage either.

rose vs westbrook
mclemore/bazz vs wes mathews
kiwi vs mkg
monroe vs randerson
pek/bogut vs sanders/greg smith

i have much moar talent and match up better. dean got that wrong clearly wrong.

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02-01-2013 , 11:57 AM

#3152

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vic i had you as the #2 team, take up your beef with scherer

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02-01-2013 , 12:00 PM

#3153

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judges must have mostly ignored coaching if Assani finished #4.

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02-01-2013 , 12:01 PM

#3154

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And the winner by a landslide is

Spoiler:

Here were my best guesses at ship equity. Bash Away:

Spoiler:

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02-01-2013 , 12:01 PM

#3155

Victor

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oh, didnt realize those were the judge's aggregate. lol scherer then.

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02-01-2013 , 12:02 PM

#3156

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Originally Posted by GeoffRas22

I guess I just don't see why this is accepted as fact. Is it really that obvious to you that 2012-2013 Nash is a huge downgrade from 2011-2012 Nash? Bc '11-'12 Nash was pretty damn good.

is it just completely out of the question that they're largely the same player and his perceived downgrade is merely a combination of a drastic change/decrease in role+coming back from an injury? i just dont see why its insane to think that Nash is still capable of controlling an elite offense, especially in a system (antoni) he's so familiar with and comfortable in.

if you are right about him, however, i do agree with your points about JJ

why would you think the nash issue is an outlier rather than the obvious decline of someone who is 38 years old

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02-01-2013 , 12:03 PM

#3157

bidon3

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here comes madness

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02-01-2013 , 12:04 PM

#3158

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Originally Posted by bidon3

judges must have mostly ignored coaching if Assani finished #4.

it hurt his shot of finishing higher but i took that pick with a grain of salt.

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02-01-2013 , 12:06 PM

#3159

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Originally Posted by TheDean1

And the winner by a landslide is

Spoiler:

Here were my best guesses at ship equity. Bash Away:

Spoiler:

these look ok to me. i would proly bump epi's equity up a bit the first 2 yrs and then down a bit the last 2. avg seems rite tho.

i would bump cvig down tho. that team is desperate for shot creation. i think rubio is getting way too much credit being able to create looks for that team.

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02-01-2013 , 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDean1

IMO DMC has huge potential and I thought the LMA pick was decent as well.

Rudy Gay is now a 7 year vet and I'm not sure how much potential he has left to realize.

Tyreke is talented but not talented enough to be a +EV player in this format given his style of play. Evan Turner's just not very good at basketball as far as I can tell.

If you wanted to draft upside you woulda been better off going a bit younger instead of drafting the people who have already developed into misfit pros.

And I really didn't get the Burke pick. He's ranked 18th at DX and 21st at nbadraft.net, but you take him with only the top 4 picks off the board? And you already had Vasquez and Reke to handle PG duties anyway.

Word. I can see how we overrated coaching early and underrated shooting. It forced our hand with Burke. That said, I still say that after Kyrie and Lillard, Burke will be the best PG drafted in the 2011-13 drafts with his improvements. Come June, he'll be up in the top-10 of this draft, IMO. I'd say he's better than Kemba Walker now.

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Originally Posted by Victor

I agree with this. Really loved Victor's team as a top-5 that would consistently just fall short of titles.

Also agree that assani drafting himself automatically took a team with top-3 potential out of the top-5.

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02-01-2013 , 12:16 PM

#3161

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team with dwyane wade and tyson chandler with 3% equity in year 1.

seems legit.

dont think a team with those two guys and 3 fans off the street would have 3% equity.

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02-01-2013 , 12:21 PM

#3162

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gd that team coulda been so good. i think on principle it should be docked for trying to play ilyasova at the 3 lol. still, it shud be much higher, proly 10% or so for the first 2 yrs.

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02-01-2013 , 12:24 PM

#3163

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i mean, if you take any of

monroe
deng
conley
lillard
fareid
gasol

in the 2nd round youre team is big time contenders.

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02-01-2013 , 12:49 PM

#3164

DodgerIrish

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Judges

I am disappoint

5% equity years 2-4 is madness imo

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02-01-2013 , 12:50 PM

#3165

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Originally Posted by Victor

gd that team coulda been so good. i think on principle it should be docked for trying to play ilyasova at the 3 lol. still, it shud be much higher, proly 10% or so for the first 2 yrs.

marrion can play the 3 in my first couple years where i have real equity

judges really **** the bed on this one imo.

wade + chandler alone have like 20% equity with randoms filling out the rest of the roster.

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02-01-2013 , 12:53 PM

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God you guys are the worst. "A very good defensive unit" + GOAT Offensive player + RAPM Offensive Superstar JJ + GALLO and it's one of the worst teams.

lol

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02-01-2013 , 12:54 PM

#3167

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No, you **** the bed from round 3 on

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02-01-2013 , 12:55 PM

#3168

DodgerIrish

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In b4 multi quote w/ flyinglawnmower.gif

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02-01-2013 , 12:57 PM

#3169

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paging SirOsis

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02-01-2013 , 01:00 PM

#3170

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Seriously both of you drafted to win now and youre both like 90/10 dogs vs geoff. Maybe yall should cry a ****ing river and draft better next time

Eta- you could argue that either of you deserved a few extra pts early but either way neither of you are coming close to top 5. Would it really make a huge diff if you guys were 11 and 13 instead of 15 and 18?

If you think you deserve better argue that you can compete with geoff and mjw

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02-01-2013 , 01:05 PM

#3171

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And we are still going to vote for best team so you all have a shot at redemption. People who got slighted make ur cases

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02-01-2013 , 01:08 PM

#3172

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Originally Posted by TheDean1

im just arguing year 1. don't think i have good equity year 3 and beyond.

if you truly, honestly think my team would only have a 3% chance at winning in year 1, then i think we've gone just about as far as we can go with this conversation. no matter how poorly you think my team meshes or works together, dwade on any team (let alone with tyson chandler) is more than a 3/100 shot to win a title, although i certainly wouldnt be a favorite over geoff.

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02-01-2013 , 01:13 PM

#3173

TheDean1

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How do people think diskos team compares to the current knacks?

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02-01-2013 , 01:15 PM

#3174

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Originally Posted by THAY3R

God you guys are the worst. "A very good defensive unit" + GOAT Offensive player + RAPM Offensive Superstar JJ + GALLO and it's one of the worst teams.

lol

GOAT offensive player??

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02-01-2013 , 01:22 PM

#3175

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Originally Posted by diskoteque

wall
wade
marion
ilyasova
chandler

is your best lineup. ily straight up cant play the 3 and you lose every time.

the only player on your team that can provide spacing and outside shooting is ilyasova. thats a big problem on a team with wall and wade. its just not enough. replace wall with better shooter, like waiting on calderon would be just perfect. that allows you to get some grate value in the 3rd. or just take nash in the 3rd.

ilyasova also cant really ever come off the court bc then you have exactly 0 shooters.

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	1	2	3	4	5	total
geoff/mjw	0.48	0.2	0.05	0.01	0	0.74
victor	0	0.04	0.1	0.16	0.18	0.48
cvig/tut	0	0.03	0.12	0.15	0.17	0.47
epi	0.13	0.12	0.09	0.05	0.07	0.46
assani	0.02	0.05	0.1	0.12	0.13	0.42
deanglow	0.1	0.11	0.07	0.06	0.06	0.4
charder	0.02	0.13	0.1	0.07	0.05	0.37
aejones	0.07	0.07	0.06	0.05	0.04	0.29
manji/heals	0	0.02	0.07	0.09	0.09	0.27
zee	0	0.01	0.05	0.06	0.07	0.19
dodgerirish/nickp	0	0.05	0.05	0.05	0.04	0.19
mburke	0	0.04	0.05	0.04	0.03	0.16
mcbeef	0.07	0.05	0.02	0.01	0	0.15
diskoteque	0.03	0.03	0.02	0.01	0.01	0.1
daro/seadood	0.04	0.03	0.01	0.01	0.01	0.1
empiremaker	0.01	0.01	0.02	0.02	0.01	0.07
tqa/horrorshow	0	0	0.01	0.02	0.02	0.05
thayer	0.03	0.01	0	0	0	0.04
ajt	0	0	0.01	0.01	0.01	0.03
ludacris	0	0	0	0.01	0.01	0.02

	1	2	3	4	5	total
geoff/mjw	0.48	0.2	0.05	0.01	0	0.74
victor	0	0.04	0.1	0.16	0.18	0.48
cvig/tut	0	0.03	0.12	0.15	0.17	0.47
epi	0.13	0.12	0.09	0.05	0.07	0.46
assani	0.02	0.05	0.1	0.12	0.13	0.42
deanglow	0.1	0.11	0.07	0.06	0.06	0.4
charder	0.02	0.13	0.1	0.07	0.05	0.37
aejones	0.07	0.07	0.06	0.05	0.04	0.29
manji/heals	0	0.02	0.07	0.09	0.09	0.27
zee	0	0.01	0.05	0.06	0.07	0.19
dodgerirish/nickp	0	0.05	0.05	0.05	0.04	0.19
mburke	0	0.04	0.05	0.04	0.03	0.16
mcbeef	0.07	0.05	0.02	0.01	0	0.15
diskoteque	0.03	0.03	0.02	0.01	0.01	0.1
daro/seadood	0.04	0.03	0.01	0.01	0.01	0.1
empiremaker	0.01	0.01	0.02	0.02	0.01	0.07
tqa/horrorshow	0	0	0.01	0.02	0.02	0.05
thayer	0.03	0.01	0	0	0	0.04
ajt	0	0	0.01	0.01	0.01	0.03
ludacris	0	0	0	0.01	0.01	0.02