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I kinda figured that by now someone would've trolled about the next ice age fixing it anyway, during which we could live in elite ice caves with WiFi and Sven.

Maybe Trump's solution for global warming is to counter it with nuclear winter

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11-10-2016 , 04:15 PM

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Dudd

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The Mr. Burns approach, every malady in perfect equilibrium

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11-10-2016 , 04:43 PM

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Heyyyyy guys, remember when the idea was that Trump wouldn't really violate Constitutional rights and prey upon minorities?

Yeah, about that: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/1...o-Trump-s-team

You need to heed my warning and get politically active for the next four years: this is a ****ing. disaster. You live in America 2.0, a non-Democratic, illiberal, racist, sexist, violent and rapaciously selfish and cruel nation haunted by the ghosts of defensible ideals past. You ****ed up, and so did I, because this happened.

I will keep telling you your life is worse today than it was on Nov. 7, and you'll probably keep ignoring me, just as you did my every post about the likelihood of this occurring, and you'll be wrong again.

There is NO evidence that Trump means to do anything less than the maximal version of the harms he promised to carry out for 15 months. Understand that. All evidence and conduct demonstrates obviously that we are ****ed. Face it, and start thinking about how to productively do something about it while trying to preserve whatever tattered rights and democratic ideals we can.

You'll call this exaggeration, and you'll be wrong.

He's not racist, though. It was never about that.

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11-10-2016 , 04:59 PM

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god, watching obama today is painful

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11-10-2016 , 05:00 PM

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Victor

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Originally Posted by CPHoya

yup. lol at thayer and geofrass and all the other clowns that are trying to push the idea that trump is gonna act the opposite of the way he has promised and the way the republican party has operated for the last 40 yrs.

just gotta hope these idiots dont tank the economy all that much with dumbass wars, mass deportation, useless walls, and unprecedented corruption.

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11-10-2016 , 05:17 PM

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even in the best case scenario (he doesn't do any of the stupid **** he promised), its problem. cos that just opens the door to candidates in future who really do mean it - he or she will be more likely to get the benefit of the doubt from the eddy b types

'of course president coulter wouldn't actually set up an illegals door to door deportation force, man you libtards are sooo silly'

his success running on a platform of walls and such also makes it more likely that those sorts of candidates will succeed in future republican primaries

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11-10-2016 , 05:24 PM

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Yeah to be honest I'm not sure how you cats *not* already living in a hellscape are keeping it together right now. I do like the guy in the NY protest holding the "I'm just sad" sign.

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11-10-2016 , 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by domer2

thanks to free market capitalism and philanthropy, global poverty is being eradicated at the fastest pace in human history

That's one way of looking at it. Here's another way:

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"In this country, let's put aside the mass inequalities. Let's put aside the tens of millions of people who struggle from hand to mouth. Let's put aside the many who live without real economic security which might include many of us. Let's put aside the desperate ones at the very bottom. Let's even put aside the middle class people who are getting ripped off left and right with their taxes and overwork and loss of benefits and the like. Let's put aside the impoverishment of the public sector and the destruction of a livable environment. Let's accept the idea that we live in great material abundance which in fact compared to much of the world we do. Many in this country do live well.

But it wasn't capitalism that gave us this standard of living. It was the democratic struggle AGAINST capitalism. They didn't give us all these things. I mean why don't we Americans work for 15 cents an hour as they do in Haiti and Indonesia . Is it because we're just so much more self-respecting? Is that it? No, it's because the democratic class struggle has advanced to a more favorable level and that's happened only in the last few generations. In 1900 America was a third world country, half a century before the term was invented. We were a third world nation. Child labor was wide spread, poverty was wide spread, 14 hour work days, ten year olds working in factories for 14 hours, seven days a week. No social services to speak of. A few church soup kitchens and charities maybe. No social benefits. Typhoid epidemics in our major cities. Tuberculosis and other diseases of poverty. No public housing or public health programs. Very little public education. No public libraries really. Advances came not with capitalism. That condition, that's what capitalism gave us. That's what the country was, a pure free market ,unregulated, undiluted capitalism in 1900, but massive margins of profit, huge margins of profit. Massive massive massive wealth for the Melons and the Morgans and the Huntingtons and the Hartfords and the Rockefellers and the Carnegies and the Vanderbilts... more money then they knew what to do with, and you know what they wanted after they got that money? They wanted more, and they wanted more, and they would destroy whole communities to get MORE and more and more. Wealth my friends, wealth is the most damaging and the most dangerous addiction that this society faces.

It was the PEOPLE! It was the American people. It was the working people in this country, who fought and fought for the 8 hour day. Who fought for public education. Who fought for public health services. It was the people who fought for decent housing and a decent standard of living, who fought for a minimum wage. Who fought against discrimination. Name one great leader, name one great political leader. Name one great intellectual who fought and did those things. No those people, they jumped on the bandwagon after the people fought. And It was the plutocrats, it was the capitalists, it was the economic royalists who fought AGAINST every one of those things. They fought AGAINST giving you a decent wage. They're still fighting against that. They're still fighting for wage cuts. They fought AGAINST social security. They fought AGAINST occupational safety, they're still fighting against it. They fought AGAINST environmental protections, they still are fighting against it and undermining it in every way they can because they're afraid they're gonna lose out on a dollar because every dollar they gotta give to you, every dollar they gotta spend on stupid things like public safety and wages and occupational safety and consumer product safety, every dollar wasted on stupid things like that which the free market would take care of, every dollar spent on that is one less dollar for their insatiable greed. And that's it, so don't credit the capitalists for giving you whatever modicum of prosperity you have. We got it despite it. We tore it outta their teeth and outta their greedy claws. And we still gotta hold on to it and they're trying to get it back from us."

--Political scientist/historian, Michael Parenti

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Originally Posted by domer2

and the Earth is changing so slowly that technology is likely to be able to both solve and reverse any sort of ill effects of warming if necessary

Cool Starry bra. I mean, obviously I hope you're right, but things are changing a little too fast for my tastes.
And non-linear events are still a major threat.

Source.

And BTW, the whole "free market capitalism" thing is a joke. We've never had free market capitalism and we never will.

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Remember, it's been known since the Great Depression that anything like free-market capitalism is a total disaster: it can't work. Therefore every country in the world that has a successful economy is somewhere close to fascism--that is, with massive government intervention in the economy to coordinate it and protect it from hostile forces such as too much competition. I mean, there just is no other way to do it really: if you pulled that rug out from under private enterprise, we'd go right back into the Depression again. That's why every industrial economy has a massive state sector--and the way our massive state sector works in the United States is mainly through the military system.

I mean, I.B.M. isn't going to pay the costs of research and development--why should they? They want the taxpayer to pay them, say by funding a N.A.S.A. program, or the next model of fighter jet. And if they can't sell everything they produce in the commercial market, they want the taxpayer to buy it, in the form of a missile launching system or something. If there are some profits to be made, fine, they'll be happy to make the profits--but they always want the public subsidies to keep flowing. And that's exactly how it's worked in general in the United States for the past fifty years.

So for example, in the 1950s computers were not marketable, they just weren't good enough to sell in the market--so taxpayers paid 100 percent of the costs of developing them, through the military system (along with 85 percent of research and development for electronics generally, in fact). By the 1960s, computers began to be marketable--and they were handed over to the private corporations so they could make the profits from them; still, about 50 percent of the costs of computer development were paid by the American taxpayer in the 1960s. In the 1980s, there was a big new "fifth generation" computer project--they were developing new fancy software, new types of computers, and so on--and the development of all of that was extremely expensive. So therefore it went straight back to the taxpayer to foot the bills again--that's what S.D.I. [the Strategic Defense Initiative] was about, "Star Wars." Star Wars is basically a technique for subsidizing high technology industry. Nobody believes that it's a defense system--I mean, maybe Reagan believes it, but nobody whose head is screwed on believes that Star Wars is a military system. It's simply a way to subsidize the development of the next generation of high technology--fancy software, complicated computer systems, fifth-generation computers, lasers, and so on. And if anything marketable comes out of all of that, okay, then the taxpayer will be put aside as usual, and it'll go to the corporation to make the profits off it.

In fact, just take a look at the parts of the American economy that are competitive internationally: it's agriculture, which gets massive state subsidies; the cutting edge of high-tech industry, which is paid for by the Pentagon; and the pharmaceutical industry, which is heavily subsidized through public science funding--those are the parts of the economy that function competitively. And the same thing is true of every other country in the world: the successful economies are the ones that have a big government sector. I mean, capitalism is fine for the Third World--we love them to be inefficient. But we're not going to accept it. And what's more, this has been true since the beginnings of the industrial revolution: there is not a single economy in history that developed without extensive state intervention, like high protectionist tariffs and subsidies and so on. In fact, all the things we prevent the Third World from doing have been the prerequisites for development everywhere else--I think that's without exception.

Understanding Power by Noam Chomsky, pg. 72-73

And this is besides the fact that free market capitalism is logically impossible due to the historical reality that capitalism cannot exist without the state, or some equivalent of massive organized violence, on the side of the owning class.

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11-10-2016 , 05:55 PM

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Maybe Trump's solution for global warming is to counter it with nuclear winter

This joke feels stolen.

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11-10-2016 , 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by pwnsall

This joke feels stolen.

Guilty. Futurama. Here is the exact line.

Fry: This snow is beautiful. I'm glad global warming never happened.
Leela: Actually, it did. But thank God nuclear winter canceled it out.

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11-10-2016 , 06:26 PM

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Those are quite the takes, ILOVEPOKER929

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11-10-2016 , 06:37 PM

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I bet he voted for Trump anyways due to shared affinity for dolphin skin

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11-10-2016 , 06:47 PM

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I agree with Victor, the worst fear of a non Hillary presidency is dumbass wars and unprecedented corruption, lol

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11-10-2016 , 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by chuckleslovakian

Guilty. Futurama. Here is the exact line.

Fry: This snow is beautiful. I'm glad global warming never happened.
Leela: Actually, it did. But thank God nuclear winter canceled it out.

Ah, that's where I vaguely remembered it from!

I'm going to start my own country, with blackjack and hookers

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11-10-2016 , 06:55 PM

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I bet he voted for Trump anyways due to shared affinity for dolphin skin

I thought about betting $10k on Hillary all week. Thank god I stayed away from the politics forum. All the "Hilldawg is a lock" takes and models wouldve sent me over the edge. As is, didn't bet it. Didn't vote. Would've voted HRC if I wasn't so lazy and apathetic.

Last edited by ILOVEPOKER929; 11-10-2016 at 06:58 PM. Reason: I prefer Stein tho, but green party is a joke

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11-10-2016 , 07:01 PM

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Those are quite the takes, ILOVEPOKER929

As long as you were marginally entertained!

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11-10-2016 , 07:52 PM

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How many ppl itt voted Trump? I mean, if you had to guess, what would be the percentage?

Just my opinion, but it seems like most were embarrassed to admit they were pro-Trump, pre-d-day, on a public forum. No?

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11-10-2016 , 08:09 PM

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How many ppl itt thread voted Trump? I mean, if you had to guess, what would be the percentage?

It's really hard to guess in this particular case imo. When it comes to social issues this site is very left. When it comes to economic issues this site is way to the right. Most people perceive that Reps are better for the economy and Dems are better for social issues. Also, there's a lot of people on this site (I.E. more than a random sample would suggest) that are closer to the autism/lacking empathy end of the spectrum imo. These people usually have a strong affinity for right wing viewpoints. However, this site also has more bright people than average imo. And bright people probably recognize that economically the general population is ****ed no matter who is president, so then you have a lot of people voting solely based on social issues.

Cliffs: too many confounding factors man. I have no clue.

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11-10-2016 , 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by CPHoya

Man stop crying just because things didn't go your way

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11-10-2016 , 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ILOVEPOKER929

Lol.

Lol.

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11-10-2016 , 08:57 PM

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Serious question. Who exactly decides whether the "nuclear option" is triggered in the Senate and any chance that the moderate Rs don't allow it to be triggered to purposefully prevent Trump from getting crazy **** through with 50 votes?

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11-10-2016 , 09:02 PM

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Autocracy: Rules for Survival:

http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2016/11...-for-survival/

Took a year for Putin to destroy the press and Trump has done it before even stepping foot in office. Kind of scary.

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11-10-2016 , 09:06 PM

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The VP should he be there, failing that, the President Pro Tem makes that call.

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11-10-2016 , 09:08 PM

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Lol.

Lol.

Yeah, I see no mathematical evidence that apathy wasn't the causative difference. It's total bull**** when people say Trump got new people to vote. Lower dem turnout and static gop turnout

Thanks a lot ilp