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08-18-2016 , 12:49 PM

#14526

THAY3R

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Will be hard to have any kind of meaningful change though without an end to the drug war. Unfortunately it's a billion(trillion?) dollar industry on both sides of the game where connections to the state is paramount, and it hurts the poor and those who need help the most.

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08-18-2016 , 02:15 PM

#14527

CPHoya

Warden of Taipan Island

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And on this day somehow Thayer and Hoayaids could come together in revelry about a political issue.

Also I haven't read On Truth, will do.

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08-18-2016 , 03:48 PM

#14528

domer2

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08-18-2016 , 03:51 PM

#14529

Palo

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Wat, someone getting fired at State Dept.

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08-18-2016 , 03:57 PM

#14530

BAIDS

2013 FA Cup winner

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not contradictory imo

'$400m cash payment contingent upon prisoner release' =/= 'prisoner release contingent on $400m cash payment'

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08-18-2016 , 04:22 PM

#14531

Pwn_Master

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The money was owed so seems like the very obvious and correct play to me if you give it any thought at all. And considering we have refused to repay the money for 40 years despite clearly having zero right to it, can understand why the Iranians had their own concerns about us. Bravo to Obama for doing the right thing despite the political cost.

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08-18-2016 , 04:43 PM

#14532

suzzer99

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Imagine an alternate universe where President Camacho Trump launches a press conference solely to brag about how he got such amazing concessions from the Iranians just for paying back a fraction of what we owe them.

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08-18-2016 , 05:08 PM

#14533

pwnsall

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"Mr president, we have kidnapped these hostages because of the atrocities committed against our country and demand 400 million American dollars to have them released"

"You know, you're right, thanks for bringing that to our attention"

End credits

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08-18-2016 , 05:15 PM

#14534

Larry Legend

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Can someone point me in the right direction to the truth on this issue?

Isn't that $400 million money that by all rights belonged to the Iranians, and then they had sanctions and such put on them, or they didn't follow rules, so we locked their access to that money?

Wasn't that money clearly theirs in the first place?

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08-18-2016 , 05:17 PM

#14535

Pwn_Master

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Don't think that ^^^ is accurate, its really a reverse ransom which can be made more comical.

Last edited by Pwn_Master; 08-18-2016 at 05:17 PM. Reason: to pwnsall

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08-18-2016 , 05:19 PM

#14536

heh

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Originally Posted by Larry Legend

Can someone point me in the right direction to the truth on this issue?

Isn't that $400 million money that by all rights belonged to the Iranians, and then they had sanctions and such put on them, or they didn't follow rules, so we locked their access to that money?

Wasn't that money clearly theirs in the first place?

Yeah, Iranian money in the US to pay for buying arms. The US kept it when Iran became the enemy but ended up owing Iran the $400m + $1bn+ in interest.

The only thing remotely iffy about this is the timing of the repayment.

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08-18-2016 , 05:21 PM

#14537

Pwn_Master

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Originally Posted by Larry Legend

Yes, very clearly. The Iranian government paid us $400 million for weapons. Then their government changed to one we didn't like and we said we are not giving the weapons to you..... And the new government said, well give us the money back then and we said no for 40 years.

The argument against giving the money back was well technically we owe the money to the old government (which no longer exists and will never exist again) and we are worried you will use the money to fund terrorism.

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08-18-2016 , 05:25 PM

#14538

Larry Legend

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Yea that's what I thought.

I'm never quite sure how sensationalism works, but the underlying thing being bogus is usually a pretty safe bet.

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08-18-2016 , 05:27 PM

#14539

goofyballer

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Originally Posted by domer2

Not much to disagree with there.

If he posted that in the Politics forum, he'd probably be banned for "racism" by goofy or wookie.

domer with some strong knowledge of how forum mods work

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08-18-2016 , 05:38 PM

#14540

seattlelou

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Originally Posted by Pwn_Master

The US has counter claims against Iran including a $2B award to the families of the 241 Marines killed by Iran in Beirut. The real point is that the US has avoided the appearance of paying ransom to protect Americans traveling overseas. This is not a Republican conspiracy, the DOJ tried to stop the payment because it would be seen as ransom but they were overruled. http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/04/doj-o...tment-wsj.html

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08-18-2016 , 05:56 PM

#14541

Pwn_Master

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In DOJ's opinion it would be seen as ransom. By the dictionary definition either side could seen as committing "ransom" here. You mention the Beirut award, but Iran has other legitimate grievances with us as well (to start with, what should be the damages for overthrowing a sovereign Iranian government?). This was an area where diplomacy could be used to address areas where each side acknowledged the other side's legitimate grievances.

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08-18-2016 , 06:02 PM

#14542

Wooders0n

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http://www.theverge.com/2016/8/18/12...eles-indecline

amazing

nsfw

Spoiler:

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08-18-2016 , 06:06 PM

#14543

iamnotawerewolf

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Originally Posted by pwnsall

the "fines" from obamacare should themselves ratchet up the price of plans given how they move opportunity cost

before buy insurance for 1500 or don't buy and pay 0 vs now buy insurance for 2500 or pay 1k in fines. more or less equivalent situations

it isn't a flat fine iirc

it's pegged to your income

and there is still competition among companies to bring it back down closer to cost

arguably more so now that the government is helping people look

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08-18-2016 , 06:24 PM

#14544

domer2

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Originally Posted by Wooders0n

http://www.theverge.com/2016/8/18/12...eles-indecline

amazing

nsfw

Spoiler:

NYC Parks statement after the removal:

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08-18-2016 , 06:33 PM

#14545

DWetzel

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The hands on that statue seem disproportionately large

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08-18-2016 , 07:02 PM

#14546

domer2

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

domer with some strong knowledge of how forum mods work

it's called a joke dude

but you do have a history of identifying criticism of Islam as "racist." straight from the ben affleck school of defending a morally bankrupt ideology.

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08-18-2016 , 07:02 PM

#14547

Holliday

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Originally Posted by Wooders0n

http://www.theverge.com/2016/8/18/12...eles-indecline

amazing

nsfw

Spoiler:

I can recall "under the horse nuts" as a prime place to meet in that park.

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08-18-2016 , 07:42 PM

#14548

goofyballer

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Originally Posted by domer2

it's called a joke dude

but you do have a history of identifying criticism of Islam as "racist." straight from the ben affleck school of defending a morally bankrupt ideology.

"it's called a joke"
"but really I wasn't joking"