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08-16-2016 , 02:58 PM
How did we get to this place and where do we go from here?

Which is the path that's clear?
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08-16-2016 , 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Larry Legend
Here came out with the Muslim immigration stuff yesterday right? Muslims have to support gay rights to get into the country.

Did he forgot he picked Mike Pence as VP?

Maybe they are laying low hoping people don't Google "Mike Pence" for a day.
Yeah that's...a little crazy. I mean, kinda looking for some more pizazz.
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08-16-2016 , 03:03 PM
The odds are not that high because she was able to turn $1k into $100k. Any yahoo with margin and luck can do that, and I'm sure it's been done numerous times.

The impossibility derives from the pricing of the trades, very often at or near the best tick of the day.

The trades were likely being priced after the market closed.
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08-16-2016 , 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Larry Legend
Saying naivete in that way is not what the word is for.

You are saying

"LL your combination of being young"
See, here you're arrogant enough to not consider that whatever you think "the word is for" is based on a misconception you have about some narrowness of its definition.
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08-16-2016 , 03:06 PM
You are right. I do have to apologize. That was a terrible post on my behalf. I have seen some of my quoted posts and it is like willi english.
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08-16-2016 , 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Pwn_Master
CP, the emails exposing the scandal clearly show that when the scandal got up the chain of the command, it was dealt with and fixed because they knew Hillary wouldn't like it if for no other reason than it would make her look bad. I said this in Politards, but was shocked to learn that neither Hillary, nor Bill, nor Chelsea take one ****ing penny from the foundation. People say well they get prestige out of it, but all I see is people ****ting on them for it.

They have raised hundreds of millions for the world's poor, which many Americans of all stripes do not give one **** about as clearly evidenced by this election, and all they get is grief and hate for it. Enough of this ****ing moral purity, let Bernie, you or anyone for that matter, start a hugely successful charity without a hint of impropriety by you or anyone of your countless employees and then we can talk, but somehow such goals are foreign to people who actually have the intelligence, drive and good fortune to actually acquire wealth and power.

Where is Bernie's ****ing charity... Oh right, this guy is so pure he doesn't even believe in charities, instead he proposes just sitting around until the revolution comes (lolololol, can't even believe this came up when I searched to confirm he doesn't have a charity):

https://www.yahoo.com/news/bernie-sa...230255076.html

Its easy to sit on the sidelines and be a ****ing blowhard looking down on everyone. Goddamn, you would think that as a lawyer of all professions, you would be exposed enough to how the world works to realize that Hillary is not the ****ing enemy.
Completely agree. One thing that conspiracy theorists fail to appreciate generally is "what is the goal?" For many people, even people with lots of money and power, the goal is to try to do some good in the world. Rich people get to live longer, but most are smart enough to realize that we all go the way of Ozymandias. Presumably many conspiracy theorists assume that if they had a bunch of wealth/power, they would, at least in their down time, try to make the world a better place.

Billary has already held the most powerful position in the world for 8 years. S/he doesn't appear to have a strong inclination toward hookers and coke (well, at least the 'she' half), or, say, yacht racing or hunting the poor for amusement. In the absence of such hobbies it's pretty consistent to try to do good in the world. When you have 'everything' and more or less live in the world of reality, you want to feel good about yourself and act in a manner consistent with your values and religious/ethical beliefs. This is more or less just baseline truth. See, e.g., Marcus Aurelius' Meditations. [Incidentally, "Dee Dee Myers, Mr. Clinton's chief spokeswoman, caused a stir -- and aroused some skepticism -- when she reported that her boss's current favorite was the "Meditations" of Marcus Aurelius, which he reread every year or two." See also, http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bill-cli...vorite-books/]

Now, there are plenty of exceptions, like say Trump, but most human beings, especially ones who have actually had some power their entire adult life thanks to competence, achievements, and respect from their peers (e.g., Hillary giving her college commencement address and serving on the Watergate committee), are more likely than not going to try to live in a manner consistent with their values and worldview. See also, Bill gates, Warren Buffet, George Soros.

While plenty of people seem to believe that Hillary Clinton is just the spawn of Satan and only derives joy from the suffering of others, this isn't borne out by the historical record. [It seems as much as anything to be based on her failure to credit their naive, uninformed world views.] So, all things being equal, if the Clinton Foundation has not been a force for good in the world (it very likely has, but I'm not an expect), Occam's razor would seem to suggest that that would be due to to error or inattention, not that the Clinton's were trying to get another 5% profit (especially as they seem to pay around double the taxes they actually owe and donate 10% to charity).

More than anything, it reminds me of a great line from Quiz Show (a GOAT movie imo), where the wealthy, learned lead character tells the investigator that, "Those who think it's all about money don't have any."

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08-16-2016 , 03:13 PM
It's funny because I basically see everyone as older than me. Like I'm a child among adults. It's pathological.
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08-16-2016 , 03:14 PM
How did we get here?

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Originally Posted by domer2
You sound brainwashed dude.

I mean you can just draw a line through their career and the quid pro quo is a pattern. Go back to their early years in the Arkansas governor office, largest employer in the state, Tyson, by her own account "helps" Hillary trade futures contracts, turns $1k into $100k in what is described as basically impossible by anyone that looked it into including the 31 trillion-1 odds posted earlier.

Hillary's employer the Rose Law firm is "suggested" to Madison S&L by Bill, Madison collapses in what is described as epic corruption, Hillary later denies ever working with Madison while at Rose in a news conference, and then two years later (right after the civil suit expired), the records showing her involvement with Madison appeared in the White House as if out of thin air: http://www.nytimes.com/1996/01/06/us...pagewanted=all

Hillary almost immediately upon entering the Oval Office fired members of the travel office, brought in people from Arkansas, and lied about her role according to the independent investigator, just not quite enough for charging her (familiar story?): http://partners.nytimes.com/library/...on-travel.html

You have the Lincoln bedroom quid pro quo, although that is perhaps more Bill than her.

You have her lying straight up to Warren about the bankruptcy bill and then completely switching when she became Senator (Warren alleged, as was obvious to any observer, that she was essentially bought).

And now you have the Clinton Foundation mess with foreign donors and corporate donors, huge speech fees to corporations that obviously want something in return, no transcripts released.

Deleted, homebrewed emails out the wazoo that only just barely avoided indictment.

As is reported all the time, we still have no clue of the nexus between the State Dept and the Clinton Foundation, and the State Department has done NOTHING to investigate incidents revealed in her emails even as exasperated reporters continue to ask: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFVhHTXNp8U

Finally, describing her campaign as paranoid would be an understatement. She gives no press conferences and none of her donor events are open to the press (ironically, Obama just hosted a fundraiser for her and it was open to the press, as all of Obama/Romney/McCain/Bush/Kerry/list goes on have been).

I don't know what planet you're posting from that if you think Hillary is some victim of the right wing press. She has a career of just BARELY skating by prosecution on obvious pay for play, messes of her own creation, and messes that have been painstakingly and carefully reported by outlets that have nothing to do with the right wing.
Described as basically impossible by anyone who looked into it, except for some "expert" who describes it as "plausible".

Anyone care to comment on the Whitehouse "travel staff"?
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08-16-2016 , 03:17 PM
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Anyone care to comment on the Whitehouse "travel staff"?
No
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08-16-2016 , 03:22 PM
Speaking of the influence of evil in the world, "Roger Ailes Is Advising Donald Trump Ahead of Presidential Debates" http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/17/us...iles.html?_r=0
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08-16-2016 , 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Larry Legend
You are right. I do have to apologize. That was a terrible post on my behalf. I have seen some of my quoted posts and it is like willi english.
I googled, and I still don't know what willi English is
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08-16-2016 , 03:37 PM
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/members/159204/

have you ever interacted with him
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08-16-2016 , 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by PocketChads
I googled, and I still don't know what willi English is
It's when you write something, use google translate to translate it to Estonian, then from Estonian back to English. The result will be given in willi English.

like this:

This is when you write something , use Google Translate to translate Estonian , Estonian language back to English . Willi result given in English.
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08-16-2016 , 03:39 PM
I assume like One-eyed Willi from 'the Goonies'. Like, pirate-talk. "Aaaaaarh! Ye not using naivete praaaaaaaahperly!"?
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08-16-2016 , 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Larry Legend
The fact that people cannot come in here and post about facts such as the domer posts that wookie responded "marco rubio" I mean come on lol.

and now Pwn_master is dissing math

What I have never understood in politics is how both sides can somehow continually outdo each other for who is the most intolerant of new ideas.
Domer's facts are not deserving of serious treatment. I know you said you studied political science, but had you not heard about the cattle futures scandal before? I guess if you somehow hadn't, then it might look interesting, but it's been in the national news for a long ass time. It's been trotted out by conservatives during Bill's presidency, during her senate run, during her 2008 presidential run, and now. It is decades-old "news," and it has repeatedly been judged to mean nothing. No criminal charges, and not even a shred of evidence of wrongdoing. Just a whole lot of incredulity from her opponents who want so hard to paint her in any negative light they can.

I apologize for my posting looking bad to you if this was the first time you'd heard of this, as I guess if you knew nothing about it, it might be interesting. Domer's taek has all the heat of someone dropping into TZ to remind everyone that larbon is better than Jordan, and he knows it. He's just flinging stale poo at a woman he doesn't like.
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08-16-2016 , 03:43 PM
Wow, didn't even recognize the name

#blessed
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08-16-2016 , 03:50 PM
Does trump have a ceiling higher than 2012 Romney at this point?
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08-16-2016 , 04:08 PM
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Does trump have a ceiling higher than 2012 Romney at this point?
Interesting question. I would be interested to get inside the mind of a 2012 Obama voter who is now supporting Trump.
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08-16-2016 , 04:09 PM
He's right I mean being shot by firing squad is hardly an assassination
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08-16-2016 , 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by El Rata
Let me be clear, I did say she should be killed, you all just misrepresented how I wanted her to die.
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08-16-2016 , 04:11 PM
He wants it done archaic and legal like
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08-16-2016 , 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
He's right I mean, as a veteran, being shot by firing squad is hardly an assassination
fyp
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08-16-2016 , 04:18 PM
They said I wanted her choked out which I never did. I said I spoke as a Dodge Stratus owner and she should be hung using razor wire for mersh-ass memes.
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08-16-2016 , 04:20 PM
Well I speak as a veteran and I don't think she should be shot. So it's 1-1
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