See, if those poor whites strike it rich, they don't want to pay noe estate tax when they die. I mean, why bother!

Many people think other states can't be worse than theirs

For someone who's supposedly orders of magnitude smarter than the rest of us, you sure struggle with basic stuff sometimes.

Food stamps don't benefit Thay3r. Welfare doesn't benefit Thay3r. Medicaid doesn't benefit Thy3r. Section 8 doesn't benefit Thy3r.

$350 in his pocket every month benefits Thay3r.

My sources on the ground tell me the estate tax on inheritance over $5M is a yooge de-motivational factor for the average Appalachian heroin dabbler.

Except many of the cities are in just as bad of shape if not worse especially Chicago. Illinois is almost assuredly gonna be the first state to try bankruptcy b/c there's no other alternative that is politically feasible other than nothing and hope the people blame someone else when the can can't be kicked anymore down the road.

Suzzer,

Lol. You're a great addition to the community

Another person calling you out on how lol terrible all of your posts have been itt is a good addition.

Fly, man, just concede every once in a while. Illinois is a ****ing fiscal Trainwreck. So is Chicago. It's ok to be wrong. Hillary voted for Iraq.

Oh man just saw a Mike Cernovich link up in this thread. Didn't realize that penishead was still gracing the world with his opinions now that gamergate has been laughed off

tl;dr cernovich sat at a table next to me at a restaurant in DC a few weeks ago, was out with 5-6 people and didn't look up from his phone once. conspiratarding is tough work but someone's gotta do it

gorilla mindset doe

RIP Harambe

1. True Detective S1
2. The Wire
3. Deadwood
4. The Life and Times of Tim
5. Six Feet Under
6. Sopranos

Ah the always solid and not at all vague or empty "improving education." We spend more on education than any country in the world. How would you suggest we improve it? Maybe we should make it universal or socialized.

Maybe we should let people spend their money as they see fit on education or anything else

Utility

UTILITY

Results don't matter? Kinda disingenuous though right? The fly-level criticism of the party planks is that they are promising too many ponies. Illinois fully promised all the ponies. And is predictably super super broke in part because of that. I mean it's not official policy to promise too many ponies but it's what their opponents assume they will do.

But I guess just one bad apple.

Not if they're bad and your team did it

Universal Basic Income: Redefining "0"

Just what the SE thread needed, aids between vhawk/fly/iron81/seattlelou

Might as well bring back ikes too.

Estate tax arguments are always funny on both sides. Both sides get mad when in reality I don't think anyone ever actually pays it. It should be repealed because it's basically useless and just helps buy trust and estate attorneys nice boats.

disposition of estate property through Probate is slow and expensive

disposition through Trust is fast and expensive


in a trust, though, the guy who dies pays

in Probate, everybody pays

vhawk, why do you keep missing the point on purpose. Its not clever, endearing or fooling anyone. My point was that in that teaching creationism, abstinence only, saying slavery was about states rights is doing people a disservice. Then you reply with "how could education be improved?!?" Do you think your average inner city school provides an education on par with those in the countries that routinely crush the USA in math/science?

What's the point in being this dense?

Vhawk, Illinois went broke over decades. Mississippi and Kansas went broke in one election cycle. They both suck, sure. We're just pointing out one had policies that were akin to pouring gasoline and lighting a match.

it's probably the least controversial tax i can imagine. i mean it's not because any tax is "theft at gunpoint" or whatever the hell but it applies to like 1/500 families and kids receiving hundreds of thousands or 1m+ in inheritance through absolutely no effort of their own are not particularly sympathetic

capital gains and tiered ("graduated") sales taxation might be more efficient, though

or we could double-tax trusts like corporations

This is like a child's understanding of the issue. Pensions aren't "ponies", they are compensation!

Seriously, vhawk, textbooks>youtubes.

This is only partially true. It's a huge pain in the ass for privately held businesses because to effectively tax plan you have to give up control, which is often suboptimal from an operations standpoint.