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07-24-2016 , 09:54 PM
I will also say that liberals have some fault; whether actually controlling this sort of thing is possible IDK, but the fault goes like this:

Liberals have portrayed guys like Romney, Jeb Bush, Rubio, Perry, so on as these terrible hitlers. Now, their policies would be super-regressive and would set our country back for years and years and whatnot, but they would at least (most likely) put together a good staff and do responsible things and lead the country in a respectable manner. So when an actual antichrist that could legitimately destroy the country (Trump) comes along, we have a 'boy who cried wolf' scenario.
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07-24-2016 , 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by BluffMyNuts
HRC is the first time in my lifetime where I've actually lost respect for people based on them supporting a political candidate. I've made attempts to talk to a couple HRC supporters who are friends or family members and the conversations are seriously depressing levels of naivety, feminism, and clickbait level arguments.

If you support true democratic ideals, then vote to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN , but any vote for HRC is inexcusable, and ultimately any person voting for her is someone I cannot respect.
This post gave me aids
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07-24-2016 , 10:06 PM
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This post gave me aids
Damn bro no need to troll me, have a good night.
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07-24-2016 , 10:18 PM
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I've made attempts to talk to a couple HRC supporters who are friends or family members and the conversations are seriously depressing levels of naivety, feminism, and clickbait level arguments.
"Friends Try to Dissuade Local Simpleton from Supporting a Dictator, Unsuccessfully."
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07-24-2016 , 10:18 PM
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Suicide bomber in Germany today was a Syrian asylum-seeker, unsucessfully tried to enter a crowded music festival. Only ended up killing himself.

Third attack in the past two weeks in Germany undertaken by refugees (machete attack this weekend, ax attack on a train, and today's suicide bombing). Not a banner period of time for Merkel.
So...basically a loud suicide on the heels of two attacks with gardening tools? Sounds like Deutschland is overrun with stooges.
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07-24-2016 , 10:19 PM
Bluff, you're getting called a moron by an Indiana resident and domer. Re-evaluate.
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07-24-2016 , 10:20 PM
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So...basically a loud suicide on the heels of two attacks with gardening tools? Sounds like Deutschland is overrun with stooges.
It's not from lack of trying that casualties have been minimal.
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07-24-2016 , 10:53 PM
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Bluff, you're getting called a moron by an Indiana resident and domer. Re-evaluate.
This corn on corn hate has to stop
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07-24-2016 , 10:58 PM
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07-24-2016 , 10:58 PM
One of the dumbest, most annoying things about trying to have a serious discussion on this board is the constant "durr Nebraska corn hurr" ****. I would gladly take my intellect up against any one of you. I've been blessed with intelligence, have a college education and a lot of experience in business and in life outside of all that. It's always a joy to present a thoughtful post that simply gets quoted and replied to with some lame, tired ad hominem Nebraska-related attack. Well done, 2p2.
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07-24-2016 , 10:59 PM
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It's not from lack of trying that casualties have been minimal.
It also doesn't account for the attacks that have been thwarted, the resources devoted to thwarting them, or the massive rise in the surveillance state due to the newfound necessity of thwarting them.

Nor does it account for the spike in sexual assaults as a direct result of the influx of migrants.

The situation in Europe is not good.
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07-24-2016 , 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Wooders0n
I can't speak for an entire group of people, and I think it's dumb to assume they all have the same motivations, but I will try to honestly answer this question for myself.

I don't support Donald Trump because I think he'd be an incredibly incompetent President on Day 1 for a variety of reasons, and I don't think he possesses the raw intelligence to be able to learn enough to become competent at any point of his would be presidency. If I were somehow forced to vote between Hillary and Trump and my vote would somehow be THE deciding vote, I would vote for Hillary. My life is relativity great and I have no reason to want to introduce a massive variable into it.

I don't really know why I get joy out of his popularity though. I just truly deeply hate everything that "politics" is. I hate the parties. I hate the politicians. I hate the labels. I hate the team aspect of it. I hate the way you discuss things. I pretty much hate you for a bunch of reason and I don't even really know you but I hate your guts. I hate the way the media covers things. I hate the pundits. I hate the people who treat it as a game and the political "scientists" who are so interested in analyzing it. They're a joke. It's a joke field. I hate it from the top down to the local levels which are much more insanely corrupt. It just nauseates me every time I think about it deeply.

And to me Hillary Clinton is the epitome of it and so I take ALL of that hatred out on her because I don't have anywhere else to channel it. Seeing people supporting her, because as part of some twisted joke there is no better option in this joke of a system, it angers me some more. I guess that is my best guess at why I get joy out of seeing you squirm over Trump's popularity. I am so spiteful towards the side that allowed her to be in this position to win that part of me wants all the bad things to happen because people deserve to be punished for letting this happen. They deserve to be punished for letting it be her when so many other people would have been such a slam dunk better choice than Trump.

I don't know how much that'll change as it goes from "lol at him ever actually being president" to "well now he might actually win" but that's pretty much how I feel right now and I'm fully aware of the flaws of that line of thinking and how insensitive it is to the people whose lives may be affected much more negatively than myself.
This is a great post. Pretty much sums up how I feel. Except if I had my hand on the button I'd pick trump assuming Gary Johnson was not an option.

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Fly has done a great job making this thread toxic by getting intensely personal with anyone whom he disagrees with. This is his M.O. I guess. But since we're here:

My life is objectively great. I have a loving, supportive family, I've lived in Manhattan for the past nine years, and I have a good job that I enjoy that's part of a successful, growing business. Just this past weekend I went to a stand-up comedy show with a friend of mine who's an Eastern European immigrant on Friday night, went hiking in the Hudson Valley with a beautiful Jewish girl yesterday morning, and my Jewish college roommate invited me to play on his softball team down in Princeton later this week. I just got invited to a wedding - for a black guy! marrying a white woman! - that I'll be flying down south for soon. I'm including these seemingly irrelevant details not to show how not-racist and not-bigoted I am - I'd never make such a bold claim - but to show that I'd make a piss-poor white nationalist, and I'm certainly not mad about losing my dominant position on some made-up totem pole.

But I am a nationalist, meaning I think we should put America and Americans first. Donald Trump is an openly nationalist candidate. Despite my life being good, I think anomie in this country is at an all-time high, with the Labor Participation Rate cratering, inequality skyrocketing, and people dying from opioid addictions, suicides, and atomization.

I don't think Donald Trump can fix this - I don't think anyone can, really - since these things are due to forces of mass society and scale, which no one man can reverse. But I think we as a people can do some things to reverse some of the more harmful effects of mass society on our psychology, starting with not thinking of America as a borderless strip mall with a worldwide police force that should solve other countries' problems. When people talk about nostalgia for the 1950s, they're not wishing we could go back to a time when black people didn't have rights, they're talking about going back to a time when people felt a sense of community and bonhomie. A healthier society would have smaller corporations, smaller government, smaller communities, and more local and civic involvement, and the beginning of de-scaling is siding with nationalism over globalism, which Donald Trump is the avatar of.

And Fly, since you've been bleating about SAT scores, I took that test once and I would bet money that my scores are higher than yours. Not because I think you're an idiot - you seem like a reasonably intelligent midwit - but because mine were very high. But I don't hang my hat on a test I took half a lifetime ago, and I think IQ fetishism is harmful and silly - traits like work ethic, loyalty, and kindness are much more important. Which means I don't froth in rage that my less intelligent countrymen have the power to vote.

tl;dr: Fly, stop picking these insanely personal fights on the internet and start lifting.
I don't get why you and everyone else don't have him on ignore.

And I don't understand why there's been ~0 discussion of Gary Johnson itt. That video he put out was awesome and I think I agreed with every single sentence of it. Seems like the only reason he can't win is because people think he can't. If you asked me a month ago I would have confidently said that there is ~0 chance I'll ever vote in my lifetime but I am going to register and vote for the first time ever just for him.
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07-24-2016 , 11:02 PM
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One of the dumbest, most annoying things about trying to have a serious discussion on this board is the constant "durr Nebraska corn hurr" ****. I would gladly take my intellect up against any one of you. I've been blessed with intelligence, have a college education and a lot of experience in business and in life outside of all that. It's always a joy to present a thoughtful post that simply gets quoted and replied to with some lame, tired ad hominem Nebraska-related attack. Well done, 2p2.
Condolences for your punter.
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07-24-2016 , 11:03 PM
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07-24-2016 , 11:05 PM
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Bluff, you're getting called a moron by an Indiana resident and domer. Re-evaluate.
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One of the dumbest, most annoying things about trying to have a serious discussion on this board is the constant "durr Nebraska corn hurr" ****. I would gladly take my intellect up against any one of you. I've been blessed with intelligence, have a college education and a lot of experience in business and in life outside of all that. It's always a joy to present a thoughtful post that simply gets quoted and replied to with some lame, tired ad hominem Nebraska-related attack. Well done, 2p2.
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07-24-2016 , 11:06 PM
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This is a great post. Pretty much sums up how I feel. Except if I had my hand on the button I'd pick trump assuming Gary Johnson was not an option.
Basically what you're saying is, "I can't be bothered to learn why things currently work the way they do, therefore I vote to just blow up all that stuff and maybe it will be better!"
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07-24-2016 , 11:06 PM
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07-24-2016 , 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by schu_22
One of the dumbest, most annoying things about trying to have a serious discussion on this board is the constant "durr Nebraska corn hurr" ****. I would gladly take my intellect up against any one of you. I've been blessed with intelligence, have a college education and a lot of experience in business and in life outside of all that. It's always a joy to present a thoughtful post that simply gets quoted and replied to with some lame, tired ad hominem Nebraska-related attack. Well done, 2p2.
Well, when you just **** on another state using an implied ad hominem attack, I'd say that puts a little hitch in the righteous indignation of your giddyup.

And if I had a problem with your underlying point, I would have raised it.
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07-24-2016 , 11:08 PM
It has happened time and time and time again. It has got to stop. Mine was uncalled for. So is everyone else's.
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07-24-2016 , 11:12 PM
I think I'd have a real choice if Johnson was a truly viable third party candidate, but he's not, so whatever. I detest HRC and everything she stands for, but I struggle to construct any scenario under which I'd vote Trump. And, as others have pointed out, at least with Hillary, you know she'll run the government semi-competently, if a bit corruptly fiscally and a bit hawkishly and at times incompetently from a foreign policy perspective, whereas I have no confidence Trump understands (or cares to understand) even the smallest thing about domestic or foreign policy.

I don't get how this is even a choice.
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07-24-2016 , 11:13 PM
It could be frustration boiling over from almost 7 years of posting here, but 1) people use the Nebraska thing as evidence that I'm a hick moron, which is in fact evidence of their own ignorance and 2) Nothing I can say in response is ever good enough for the New York-type yuppies that think that a large population means they alone have the knowledge and experience to have some sort of well-rounded worldview. As if I have never traveled. As if my standardized test scored weren't good enough to get into Harvard. As if I don't have a formal education. As if I don't have a lot of research and work experience. As if I don't spend half of my time reading things trying to learn more about the world.

There's a lot of rural Nebraska residents that don't leave the ranch and think they know how the world works. I am not one of them.
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07-24-2016 , 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by schu_22
It could be frustration boiling over from almost 7 years of posting here, but 1) people use the Nebraska thing as evidence that I'm a hick moron, which is in fact evidence of their own ignorance and 2) Nothing I can say in response is ever good enough for the New York-type yuppies that think that a large population means they alone have the knowledge and experience to have some sort of well-rounded worldview. As if I have never traveled. As if my standardized test scored weren't good enough to get into Harvard. As if I don't have a formal education. As if I don't have a lot of research and work experience. As if I don't spend half of my time reading things trying to learn more about the world.

There's a lot of rural Nebraska residents that don't leave the ranch and think they know how the world works. I am not one of them.
At the risk of blowing up my spot as a heartless *******, I'm pretty sure no one of consequence truly believes 1). It's just that busting balls is fun.
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07-24-2016 , 11:16 PM
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This corn on corn hate has to stop
no corn in southern indiana, thank you very much. Only reason I'm here is for IU grad school so a bit disingenuous to link me with anything else Indiana tho
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07-24-2016 , 11:21 PM
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It also doesn't account for the attacks that have been thwarted, the resources devoted to thwarting them, or the massive rise in the surveillance state due to the newfound necessity of thwarting them.

Nor does it account for the spike in sexual assaults as a direct result of the influx of migrants.

The situation in Europe is not good.
Help me out here, Sando; this article says migrants commit crimes at the same rates as europeans and sexual assaults are at a flat rate, adjusted for population increase--but there are annecdotes about women being afraid to exercise at night and police concern about crowd violence against migrants. Am I to take it the crime stats are forged as part of a conspiracy? But it's all so tabloid-style, how can you read this ****?
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07-24-2016 , 11:21 PM
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At the risk of blowing up my spot as a heartless *******, I'm pretty sure no one of consequence truly believes 1). It's just that busting balls is fun.
It's not fun for 7 straight years in every context possible. And the jokes aren't even funny. They're lazy and tired.
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