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Originally Posted by TheQuietAnarchist
I think it's irresponsible to characterize power and wealth flowing out of the hands and pockets of average American laborers and, mostly, towards a small caste of individuals who broker (and aggressively seek rent from) the movements of money as a huge win for individual laborers in developing nations, who largely toil work under conditions that would horrify any civilized individual with basic human decency.
Particularly when the fact that there are no jobs or resources in those countries is largely the result of colonialism that historically benefitted a similar caste of individuals, and of privatization (aka forced sale of natural resources to Western multinationals) that occurred at the behest of institutions very much tied into and controlled by this caste (IMF, World Bank).
I assume your point was that falling American wages are largely flowing into the pockets of laborers in developing nations, and apologize if it was not.
My point is that globally standards of living and wages are rising at tremendous rates and while they are certainly much lower than in the US they are much better than they have ever been in human history and that is because of globalization, which is also the main driver of those graphs. So to look at those and say oh those poor Americans is frankly a disgusting in its depraved preference for the America "poor" (who are among the wealthiest people in human history) versus actual poor people. I'm fine with taxing the **** out of the wealthy in order to redistribute and even things out more fairly, as long as we recognize that means taking about 90% of yours and wookies wealth and giving it to nonamericans.
I find that thus redistribution argument is effective to Americans when they don't think they are the ones who will pay and when they realize that they in principle should "owe" most of what they have then they start talking about "we should take care of our own first hard working Americans, you are arguing for the destruction of the nation state" crap that Bernie is talking about above.
The wealthiest people have a ton of wealth, but there just aren't very many of them. There are way more people like you and me, and we are the ones who should be paying. I agree it's a little disingenuous of me to say it's racism. It's not, it's selfishness. The reason you want free healthcare for Americans only, and redistribution for Americans only, isn't REALLY because you hate brown people. It's because if we actually expanded this moral imperative to the human beings who needed it most, YOU would have to pay.
It's just that in practice it is indistinguishable from racism, so I was having a little fun mocking the side who usually calls everything that in practice has an imbalanced effect racism.
Last edited by vhawk01; 03-08-2016 at 08:22 AM.
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