That Trump is pulling in reliable voters is known. The polls being done use, for the most part, a likely voter screen, mostly asking questions about if the person is registered to vote and if they've voted in previous elections. If I candidate is outperforming his or her numbers on LV polls, it's likely the candidate is pulling in new voters who have been outside of the electoral process, cf. Obama. Trump is, if anything, underperforming compared to LV polls.

The "FOX was unfair to Trump" crowd is so baffling to me. Did they target him more than others with the pre-prepared stuff attacking his positions? Sure. But it's about time someone did. And he was completely unable to rebut any of it other than to spew the same tired platitudes. He's a complete joke. He has no clue about anything substantive in this election. It takes a massive leap in both faith and logic to think he would be anything but a disaster.

You clearly don't get it. These daily displays of ignorance and incompetence are all just an elite ruse to get elected. Once in office, Trump will be the smartest, sharpest man you've ever seen. Just the greatest.

Was not the point at all, it's just the inevitable result of the way discourse has occurred in the overtly PC world.


Take your average ignorant old dude who thinks "Yeah, of course you should have an ID to vote". Now of course this is pushed by the GOP for political and racist reasons, but this old dude is often casually dismissed as LOL U RACIST, when he doesn't even understand why and people aren't really willing to go through the steps of explaining it which cause anger and resentment. Needing an ID to vote is a reasonable non racist thought, it's only when you look further into it about how it prevents low income people from voting and how much that negatively affects certain demographics(and why it's being pushed for) can you begin to understand the racistness that is inherent in it.

Grilling him on his positions is one thing; this was pretty obviously more than that: it was a collaboration with the rest of the establishment to bring him down. The rat-faced man behind the curtain is being exposed as the establishment faces an existential threat to the endless war/cheap labor axis that currently has a stranglehold on Washington.

I think this is a good point and agree RE voter ID and the average person's initial thought that "well **** who doesn't have a goddamn ID" and calling someone a racist for supporting that without taking the time to explain to them why is a problematic tactic

People get angry and scared and groupist and regress to clan-protection when they feel disempowered. This can take many shapes: economic, political, social, cultural. So, maybe, culturally, we can say some folks feel that new fangled colored music and languages and foods are ruining what they know.

But a huge component of this is, I would argue, is the rest of it. Lack of economic opportunity, increasing globalization makes the world harder to comprehend, etc.

Some of this is inevitable. Some of it has to do with a lot of what the general establishment (don't love that word but it's a reasonable proxy) has been doing for 40 years.

This is NOT because of PC culture. That's bull**** handwaiving, as though not being racist and allowing gay marriage means the pendulum falls the other way now, and let's just ignore that people work longer hours with less security just so their kids can receive a poorer education than any other industrialized country.

So you're saying this old dude just randomly had this thought one day, that you should need an ID to vote? It has nothing to do with a century long campaign within certain parts of the country to actively disenfranchise voters, that maybe put this idea on the table?

Sure, discourse could be better.

But look at Fox News. Their level of discourse is, pretty objectively, the most child-like.

Why don't they "deserve" Bernie Sanders, their socialist villain, as recompense for their decades of nonsense?

Maybe it was a collaboration to bring him down? But so what? It's not like any of the questions were unfair. It exposed him for what he is: clueless. His response to his numbers not adding up is the same tired story that we've heard before - I'm Donald Trump, I'll get people to do what I want. If you're okay with that, then I don't know what else to tell you. Maintaining the status quo is a far better option than electing a guy with no substantive plan who lacks even the basic knowledge of how things work in reality.

I forgot about the ID thing, when I voted last week I sort of did a second take and thought I got away with something when they didn't check mine. it would be super possible for someone to vote 10 times in my town/city if they just knew 10 people's addresses. which would be trivial to obtain. though at a large scale it would be hard to pull this off to meaningful affect

Yeah but when you explain it to them 10 times and a week later they come back with: "I still don't see what the big deal is. I have an ID. Doesn't everyone?" Then you're getting into some willful ignorance territory.

Right, Trump will build the biggest military in the world (which in some universe we don't already have), execute the wives and children of terrorists, ban all Muslims from entering the US, be tough and let people know we are serious about using our military to defend our interests (without actually ever going to war even if they call our bluff, because Trump would never do anything rash in response to being slighted, of course), yadayadayada and then there everything will be great again!

Clearly the only part of this brilliant plan that the GOPe finds objectionable is that the increased military spending Trump proposes will not be going to their cronies. I mean its a brilliant plan, a terrific plan, what other part of it could they object to?

And it's a federal felony. In-person voter fraud is the highest risk for lowest gain scam you could ever dream up.

Why don't we just use tax dollars to make getting a legal state ID card free for everyone? That seems like a very manageable and relatively affordable task and would also provide the people concerned about security more information in the system.

That would be eminently reasonable.

Jesus, are you blind? He's the only one out there saying the disastrous Iraq War was a disaster. He triggers 53 prominent neocons into collectively penning an Orwellian letter saying Trump's policies won't "keep us safe." He's the only candidate on stage who won't reflexively bend over and spread buttocks when the subject of Israel is brought up. He's for a strong military that will stay the **** out of the world's more hopeless conflicts. People are actually worried that he won't try to goad Russia into WW3.

As far as foreign policy goes, he is pissing off all the right people for all the right reasons.

That would defeat the whole purpose and Republicans would have no interest. Just like how they never touch absentee ballots now - which have seen infinitely more fraud than in-person voting. Republicans are actively making it harder to get an ID in every state they can.

Maybe Democrats should do some kind of mandatory ID though just to head Repubs off at the pass. But then Republicans would inevitably scream about Big Brother and End Times mark of the beast, and their base would eat it up.

What a totally reasonable idea that Republicans don't want to do because it would hurt them.

This doesn't actually happen this way tho. People do and have explained it, and old ignorant dudes still insist that the laws are good even in the face of no evidence of in person vote fraud on any appreciable scale and lots of evidence that a lot of minorities would be disenfranchised. The actual conversations about ID laws usually go like this:

http://www.cc.com/video-clips/dxhtvk...ssing-the-vote

And then the old white racist leaves, butthurt that anyone would dare call him racist just for supporting ID laws, which are totally not racist.

Yep

This doesn't even solve the problem. Lots of old women are completely hosed here, because they are missing either their marriage license or their birth certificate and their state photo ID. Then, they need two of the three in order to get the 3rd one. But lacking the birth certificate or marriage license, they can't either prove their birth names or their new legal names.

Not to mention the "voter ID laws" aren't voter ID laws. The same laws include closures of DMVs in minority areas, restrictions or cancellations of early voting, and closing of voting precincts in minority areas. The ID is just one sliver of the restrictions being established.

Starting to really feel the Kasich rise, he could beat Hillary, super reasonable and maybe the GOP's only hope is for their 2 buffoons to go on an all out attack on Trump to keep him under 50% then give it to Kasich at the convention as the other 3 continue to look like clowns while Kasich continues to look POTUS material

It seems like TRUMP should split time the next three days in Ohio and Michigan then Tuesday go to Florida for Tue and Wed and then Thur in Missouri, Fri in Illinois, Sat in Ohio, Sunday in Florida, then Monday a quick stop in Illinois and back to Ohio. If he can somehow sweep the 15th its gonna be almost impossible to stop him without straight up stealing it from someone who outright has a majority of delegates.

how do these people ever get driver's licenses in the first place? Once you're in the database and have an ID it shouldn't be hard to keep you in there.

Kasich is not super reasonable. I don't get why people keep saying this. He is a crazy war monger and is extremely conservative on pretty much every issue.

Right now the only real race is Hillary vs FBI

Everything else is just trolling anyway and while I'm greatly enjoying it, the chance I even go vote at all is very slim.