None of the candidates could deliver much on healthcare. Healthcare is Congressional.

He could have definitely delivered very fast on out military operations, judicial appointments, a new cabinet highlighted by an AG who would reignite the civil rights division, end family separation and aggressive deportation.

Sadly, his bad campaign never highlighted the **** he could do. They sucked the air out of the room with things where he needed an adversarial Congress.

That's the game now. Does Biden get more from the people that stayed home/voted Trump because they disliked the idea of a woman president (or one woman in particular), moderates, and #NeverTrump republicans than he loses from whatever additional Bernie supports drop from the 88% Hillary got.

Feels like the answer is probably yes given 1) how much turnout was up this primary season and 2) how poorly Bernie did relative to 2016, especially in failing to get the youth vote to turn out, but who really knows. We don't have near enough info yet to do anything but guess.

Some people are just mad and want to pout thinking it accomplishes something.

The ones that aren't are usually of the opinion that note voting/voting 3P will mean Trump wins and 4 more years of Trump will make the electorate more open to the idea of a revolutionary candidate. It's basically Accelerationism for politics

On his promises? Likely relatively few. M4A is dead in the water, as are some of the more aggressive Free College/Loan Forgiveness ideas. Things like ending family separation at the border, ending marijuana prohibition (and commuting the sentences of those convicted for it), and fully staffing our government agencies with capable people he could do on day 1 via executive order/policy change, so those were absolutely attainable.

good posts guys. thx

hopefully the believers in accelerationism open their eyes and realize how many deplorables have been energized with trump's victory.

for almost 40 years. and certainly since Kerry, the Dems have done more than just ignore the left and progressive part of the party. they have actively dismantled it.

so the strategy is simply that if the party refuses to represent us, and continues to use all means available to destroy our policies then **** them we arent gonna vote for them.

some people just want to make **** up and strawman other posts rather than have any sort of integrity. we have been over this many times and I have written the above many times. yet you continue to lie.

its #blueMAGA. thats all it is. continue to lie and deride and cater to Republicans. maybe it will work and you will be successful in winning elections with a party with no material differences other than the tone.

Yep. Very accurate description.

You were describing the Bernie supporters that refuse to vote for Biden, right?

Are you in Ohio?

So Clinton [Bill] didn't destroy the prog left, but Clinton [Hillary] did? maybe it was the prog left that changed and not the Clintons

one of Bidens main pitches is that he will appeal to Republicans. he says they will "have an epiphany" when Trump is out and when he is in charge. Biden has a long history of catering to Republican politicians and selling out his constituents for the entrenched interests with bipartisan support.

thats a main reason why we dont want to support him. its policy. always policy. you guys wanna twist it.

That you can say the bolded in the same breath is kinda staggering...

Regardless, I'm not lying, and I've been saying Bernie is the best candidate for 6+ months, back when half the thread was stumping for Warren, so I'm not sure what you're talking about. I'm just not willing to delude myself to make a point.

You're at a restaurant you can't leave and are told the only things you can order are gruel or a **** sandwich. Rather than take the gruel, which we ALL agree isn't ideal, you order a steak. The problem is, you're still going to get served the **** sandwich and have to take a bite.

There's no other way here. No matter what you do, there are no viable third parties, no write in realities, nothing will change the facts we're all faced with. Screaming that "TRUMP = BIDEN" is just meaningless, incorrect tantrum squawking.

We're all stuck in a shitty restaurant, order the ****ing gruel. (I want royalties if Biden2020 uses this as their campaign slogan)

like, I dont understand what is so hard to understand about the fact that Biden supports policies completely opposite of my ideology. so I wont support him.

you guys want to invent all kinds of nefarious and insulting reasons but they require all kinds of convoluted narratives to even come close to making sense. bc you refuse to acknowledge the first sentence.

Ah that explains why Bernie went from I to R and isn’t endorsing Biden

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...bailout-trump/

Why do Republicans hate the Postal Service so much? Is it too socialist for them or something? I’m legitimately baffled.

i'm guessing trump also supports policies that are completely opposite of your ideology, likely more of them.
you do understand that a non-vote against trump is pretty much the same as a vote for him, right?

You're painting with a bit too broad of a brush there Suzzer. Trump and Mnuchin clearly hate the USPS, but that's not universal in the Republican party. Historically Republicans from rural districts were afaik some of the post office's biggest friends in Congress.

Beyond, that, you have a government agency that employs 500,000 plus people, many of whom are union, never makes money and at times looks about as inefficient as any bureaucracy, and you're going to get some Republicans who don't like the USPS on ideological grounds.

I just shook my head when after being denied $25 billion in the initial round of bailouts the head of the USPS doubled down and asked for $89 billion - including $14 billion for infrastructure and $25 billion in unrestricted borrowing ability. You have to admire that.

again. its the policies. for months your team screamed and yelled that Bernie was a cult of personality. but nope. we dont give a **** what Bernie thinks. not gonna follow him in supporting Biden.

but yall just keep it up. you just cant stop. its all you have.

It's very similar to "I'll let the guy I'm voting for screw me over more than the other guy, as long as he keeps Mexicans out of the country" imo

also very similar to "Im willing to pay more for my healthcare, as long as the poor people don't get access to it."

oh wait, those are Biden voters

WONT ANYBODY THINK OF THE POOR PEOPLE

so bernie is just playing politics by endorsing biden? damn. cant believe he sold out.

Bernie's a Democrat and is supporting the Party. We support policies. You support the Party hence #blueMAGA

Yes. And here's the thing. Let's see how committed you resistance Dems are. If you donate 100 to my super special centrist do nothing non revolution then I will go Biden.

Wait wait when did this happen

Bernie's spent fewer years as a Democrat than Lebron has pillaging the cavs assets to bring a title to the deplorables in Cleveland