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01-31-2019 , 07:23 PM
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Daniel Dale @ddale8

This is a thing Trump said today: "So I didn't see the report from the intelligence. When you read it, it's a lot different than it was covered on in the news."
nothing but respect for President Fox & Friends
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01-31-2019 , 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by dth123451
I would assume we'd contiue to fund the NIH at the same or greater levels, but if we're using the collective bargaining power of a single payer system to reduce the US's crazy over spending problem, we're going to see spending in the Phrama sector drop by something like 50-75% (all else being equal).

A lot of the money saved is going to go towards increased spending to cover more people and the increased bureaucracy (money that goes to places that arent ultimately R&D related) of dealing with 350M people, so we can't just shuffle it over to the NIH coffers.
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01-31-2019 , 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by cannabusto
Moreover, we have far more issues than average with guns, car accidents, and suicides. This drives down life expectancy and has nothing to do with the health care system. Also, the fact that liability/malpractice is such a massive issue causes doctors to run every test and do every procedure to avoid suits.
All of that ^^


Fast Food
Divorce rates
How the elderly are treated (retirement homes instead of staying in family home)

You know, culture.

Sorry to disappoint all the You’reRacist dunkers.
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01-31-2019 , 07:49 PM
Yeah so, astonishingly, you can separate out those variables using regression analysis!

Shocking result: controlling for literally any “cultural factor,” we have the WOAT system.
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01-31-2019 , 07:53 PM
can't be done!


lol raids
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01-31-2019 , 07:55 PM
Lol @ asserting that out healthcare outcomes are the result of anything other than our healthcare system.

This is pretty settled science dawg. Even considering all of the handicaps that we give ourselves for living in the Roman decline that is USA#1 we still have an awful healthcare system.
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01-31-2019 , 07:59 PM
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southpaw @nycsouthpaw

The opening of the Massachusetts AG's civil complaint against the Sackler family and its company Purdue Pharma alleges without qualification that they "created the [opioid] epidemic and profited from it."
get em
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01-31-2019 , 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by BOIDS
nope nothing to do with culture, america would no longer have an inferior healthcare system very quickly with just a few changes

no longer paying 3x more for drugs would be a fine start
From your article

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higher U.S. survival rates for diseases such as cancer
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01-31-2019 , 08:03 PM
Eagerly awaiting regression analyses of post-ACA US health outcomes compared to UK and Canada et. al.

Should be easy to find since it is settled science.
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01-31-2019 , 08:08 PM
Take the L bro.
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01-31-2019 , 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Heroball
From your article
There aren't a ton of studies with a representative sample size of survival rates between countries, but here's one:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/cysti...ates-1.4022970

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People with cystic fibrosis are living to a median age of 50.9 years in Canada, compared with 40.6 years in the U.S., according to research published in the Annals of Internal Medicine.
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01-31-2019 , 08:20 PM
It can be done and we do have the worst system. No question. But those other factors absolutely contribute to our health outcome statistics.

And it's not all "culture" that I am discussing, although our gun and driving culture plays a role.

Social inequality is not a cultural issue. It is part and parcel with the healthcare issue. It is tied up in our historical and current policies of favoring the rich at every turn.
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01-31-2019 , 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
There aren't a ton of studies with a representative sample size of survival rates between countries, but here's one:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/cysti...ates-1.4022970
Same article:

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Researchers, including Dr. Anne Stephenson, a respirologist and cystic fibrosis researcher at St. Michael's Hospital, identified three factors that seemed to account for the difference in survival rates between the two countries:

Number of lung transplants.
Health insurance status.
Diet.
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01-31-2019 , 08:26 PM
...How does that help your point?

Do you think Canada doesn't have fast food, similar divorce rates or retirement homes?
The reason the USA has the highest survival rate for cancer is that insurance companies can get a blank cheque and try the most expensive procedures when cancer is involved, even if it doesn't increase life expectancy.
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01-31-2019 , 08:41 PM
So confused by to Con side here. There are obvious issues that will spring up in the transition to single payer, and I think that can be an interesting discussion, but throwing the baby out with the bath water because Americans eat more big macs is a bold strategy.

That's like saying automating cars is a bad idea because they'll reduce the amount of organs available for transplant by 20% (by nearly eliminating traffic fatalities). It's a worthwhile point to discuss and plan for,but it's not a reason to scrap the idea.
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01-31-2019 , 08:45 PM
I'm not on the con side to be clear. I'm all for it. I just think there's a lot more to our poor health outcomes than the system itself.
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01-31-2019 , 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
...How does that help your point?

Do you think Canada doesn't have fast food, similar divorce rates or retirement homes?
The reason the USA has the highest survival rate for cancer is that insurance companies can get a blank cheque and try the most expensive procedures when cancer is involved, even if it doesn't increase life expectancy.
First of all, the claim is that the science was “settled” and that multiple regression analyses controlled for “every” cultural variable. That burden wasn’t really addressed at all by your study.

Secondly, the only evidence you’ve presented indicates that “diet” plays a significant role in health outcomes for CF. Canadians do not have the same diet as Americans.

https://www.thisisinsider.com/bigges...-tim-hortons-4
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01-31-2019 , 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by RT
So confused by to Con side here.
hurrrrr status quo goat atlas shrugged usa#1 i billionaires maga men b lobsters flat tax what about the whatabouttery bitcoin rock flag and eagle durrrrr
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01-31-2019 , 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by RT
I would assume we'd contiue to fund the NIH at the same or greater levels, but if we're using the collective bargaining power of a single payer system to reduce the US's crazy over spending problem, we're going to see spending in the Phrama sector drop by something like 50-75% (all else being equal).

A lot of the money saved is going to go towards increased spending to cover more people and the increased bureaucracy (money that goes to places that arent ultimately R&D related) of dealing with 350M people, so we can't just shuffle it over to the NIH coffers.
Pharma spends more on marketing than R&D last I checked. Maybe they won't do that when the government is the one negotiating.
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01-31-2019 , 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Heroball
First of all, the claim is that the science was “settled” and that multiple regression analyses controlled for “every” cultural variable. That burden wasn’t really addressed at all by your study.

Secondly, the only evidence you’ve presented indicates that “diet” plays a significant role in health outcomes for CF. Canadians do not have the same diet as Americans.

https://www.thisisinsider.com/bigges...-tim-hortons-4
You used *that* article as a citation? And you're not too embarrassed to never post in this thread again after that?
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01-31-2019 , 09:47 PM
It was literally the first thing that came up on Google.

I skimmed it. Lots of inconsequential reasons, but it did note how much smaller the restaurant portions sizes are in Canada.

Also telling that you didn’t address anything substantively.
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01-31-2019 , 09:53 PM
There was nothing substantial to address.
It would be like if someone asked you the difference between men and women and you responded "women be shoppin'"

This year I've been to Montreal, Vancouver, Vegas, NYC and live in Winnipeg. New York probably had the smallest portions of everything but like everywhere else, it depends where you dine and "portion sizes" is largely only representative for eating out which should not be the basis of any diet to begin with.
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01-31-2019 , 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by cannabusto
I'm not on the con side to be clear. I'm all for it. I just think there's a lot more to our poor health outcomes than the system itself.
Sure, I like to party, but I'm pretty sure I dont like to party 3x as hard as BAIDS' British ass
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01-31-2019 , 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
There was nothing substantial to address.
It would be like if someone asked you the difference between men and women and you responded "women be shoppin'"

This year I've been to Montreal, Vancouver, Vegas, NYC and live in Winnipeg. New York probably had the smallest portions of everything but like everywhere else, it depends where you dine and "portion sizes" is largely only representative for eating out which should not be the basis of any diet to begin with.
Substance (looks like you ninja edited a ton): why haven’t the obvious regression analyses been posted?
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