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Well id have an issue with that bc if you did that then they WOULD be overpaid.

Id like to see them paid more upfront and make them save money like everyone else, and would be fine with even matching some of their contributions to a defined contribution plan.

I dont think we should pay them for 40 years after they're done teaching. Id rather more money go to the people actually teaching.

So really you are just arguing that teachers are overcompensated and you would like to reduce their total compensation.

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12-29-2017 , 10:30 PM

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Victor

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GOP just so good at playing the game.

Public employees having a secure retirement while private sector employers have demolished retirement security, diverting the savings to executives and shareholders, has somehow successfully been framed as a reason to be frothed up with rage at the public employees.

Rich people are raping this country. This is the problem. Teachers having a comfortable retirement is a feature, not a bug.

ya this. just mindblowing amount of hate without any real analysis or perspective. its very similar to republicans getting irate over welfare queens using their food stamps for coffee or candy.

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12-29-2017 , 10:47 PM

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wheatrich

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ya this. just mindblowing amount of hate without any real analysis or perspective. its very similar to republicans getting irate over welfare queens using their food stamps for coffee or candy.

Alright, I'll bite, why shouldn't we be allowed as part of the deal to say what people taking our money can or can't spend that money on?

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12-29-2017 , 10:48 PM

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pwnsall

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Yeah in retrospect if we're going to do a guaranteed job program I think teacher is a good choice for it. Pretty easy for anyone to do and can get kids more one on one time.

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12-29-2017 , 10:52 PM

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So really you are just arguing that teachers are overcompensated and you would like to reduce their total compensation.

In many areas yes. In more areas and even moreso with police and firefighters

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12-29-2017 , 11:03 PM

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So really you are just arguing that teachers are overcompensated and you would like to reduce their total compensation.

I'm arguing pensions shouldn't be paying out over 2x/year what the avg person in my area actually makes a year working.
I'm in Illinois btw so the whole pension system is way more ridic than I've led on. Not that anything will ever change b/c politics until it literally runs out of money.

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12-29-2017 , 11:13 PM

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Lawnmower Man

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Right. You aren't arguing against pensions at all, really. You would seemingly be fine with pensions if the overall pension benefits were massively reduced.

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12-29-2017 , 11:20 PM

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Melkerson

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Out of curiosity, what happened with bundy?

Did he get a reprieve? Is Clark taking his "seem less like a mod" game to another level?

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12-29-2017 , 11:27 PM

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Aidan

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I am far from an expert in the area, but I believe Hattie's meta-analyses suggest that class size has only a mediocre effect on educational outcome (ES = 0.21, 0.40 needed for significance). I don't know over what ranges of class size that covers.

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12-29-2017 , 11:30 PM

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John Candy

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In many areas yes. In more areas and even moreso with police and firefighters

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12-29-2017 , 11:34 PM

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Noze

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My God, arguing over teacher and cop pensions. You ****ers should be embarrassed.

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12-30-2017 , 12:02 AM

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mutigers

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The public union thing is slightly less trivial than political correctness on campuses in the grand scheme of things so I feel we are getting somewhere

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12-30-2017 , 02:01 AM

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ClarkNasty

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With police it’s actially a real big deal.

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12-30-2017 , 02:01 AM

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ClarkNasty

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My God, arguing over teacher and cop pensions. You ****ers should be embarrassed.

And this is why they get such absurd deals.

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12-30-2017 , 02:15 AM

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The right just gutted taxes for the next decade and liberals ITT are already doing the work of finding where they need to cut spending to match (teacher salaries, obviously). Beautiful.

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12-30-2017 , 03:26 AM

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ymmv

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The right just gutted taxes for the next decade and liberals ITT are already doing the work of finding where they need to cut spending to match (teacher salaries, obviously). Beautiful.

The nice thing is (should be?) that the left gets to frame every single entitlement for the next 1.5T as "yeah we are paying for universal higher education by taxing huge corporations .05% more, which the GOP traded off because of donors etc"

we have 1.5T to work with. dont fk it up

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12-30-2017 , 09:12 AM

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ClarkNasty

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The right just gutted taxes for the next decade and liberals ITT are already doing the work of finding where they need to cut spending to match (teacher salaries, obviously). Beautiful.

State vs Federal issues as well as independent issues.

Pensions in Illinois for example are absurd and it takes a cursory level understanding of the situation to realize it.

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12-30-2017 , 09:14 AM

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ClarkNasty

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Btw Dreamers have no shot. We all understand that right? Doesn’t matter that we’ve spent billions training them and they are educated productive GDP producers.

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12-30-2017 , 09:55 AM

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Yes, isolated situations are completely out of control. Illinois and NY are both completely ****ed. But again, stop raging at the people who collectively got a good deal. Full stop. teachers having a comfortable retirement should not fill you with rage! What absolutely should rustle all of you is substantially ALL economic gains going to 1%ers for 40 ****ING YEARS.

Wake the **** up people.

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12-30-2017 , 11:26 AM

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ClarkNasty

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I have enough anger in my heart for all of it

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12-30-2017 , 11:37 AM

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ChrisV

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I have enough anger in my heart for all of it

This. Totally absurd to set up this obviously false dichotomy like you have to choose.

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12-30-2017 , 11:38 AM

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bowens

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12-30-2017 , 12:48 PM

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Heroball

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CalPERS another “isolated” situation.

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12-30-2017 , 01:36 PM

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ClarkNasty

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This is a pretty fair summary about Illinois. It notes how the Illinois government has basically borrowed against the pensions helping lead to the magnitude of the issue today. But one can’t get away from the fact that the deals aren’t sustainable and we would’ve reached this point in any event

https://www.illinoispolicy.org/repor...ension-crisis/

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12-30-2017 , 01:48 PM

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Pwn_Master

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Clark, these two things are true, a) the state cannot legally renege on contractual agreements entered into, for good reason imo and b) pensions were slashed moving forward pretty much everywhere after the financial crisis. So what exactly are you raging about?

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