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05-17-2017 , 10:30 AM
Contrast "WE NEED ALL THE FACTS" Ron Ryan today with "WE NEED TO LOCK HER UP" Ron Ryan from last summer:

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-n...htmlstory.html

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"It does taint the outcome," he said. "To have the top law enforcement officer taint this in such a way to me was just inexcusable."

It was House Republicans' investigation into the Benghazi attack that led to the initial disclosure of Clinton's private email set-up.

"This announcement defies explanation," Ryan said in a statement after the FBI's announcement Tuesday. "No one should be above the law.... Declining to prosecute Secretary Clinton for recklessly mishandling and transmitting national security information will set a terrible precedent."
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05-17-2017 , 10:52 AM
The Nixon disaster only cost them 4 years, then we got essentially 12 years of Reagan. Voters are overwhelmingly stupid in this country. The damage won't be as bad even as it was then as they have a massive propaganda machine now which didn't exist back then.
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05-17-2017 , 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
The Nixon disaster only cost them 4 years, then we got essentially 12 years of Reagan. Voters are overwhelmingly stupid in this country. The damage won't be as bad even as it was then as they have a massive propaganda machine now which didn't exist back then.
The ones that aren't stupid they'll prevent from voting.
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05-17-2017 , 12:00 PM
Rep. Justin Amash (R-Mich.) on Wednesday said reports that President Trump pressed ousted FBI Director James Comey to end an investigation would merit impeachment if true, becoming the first Republican lawmaker to broach the idea.

The New York Times on Tuesday reported that Trump tried to pressure Comey to stop investigating former national security adviser Michael Flynn, citing a memo written by Comey.

Asked by The Hill if the details in the memo would merit impeachment if they're true, Amash replied: "Yes."
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05-17-2017 , 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Onlydo2days
I think the point you guys are missing is that in the grand scheme of things if Trump gets impeached the GOP is just kinda screwed going forward. Tons of voters will not forgive the GOP for not backing Trump, will feel the "establishment" won, etc

Impeaching Trump would be absolutely awful for the GOP. That Breitbart base isn't huge, but it's enough to change elections. And all those Midwesterners aren't supporting Mike Pence.

If I had to guess I'd say nothing big really comes from this, however, it will hurt Trump's chances to get his domestic agenda passed.
This. It's a disaster for them, despite whatever damage Pence can do in the mean time.

We absolutely do not want Trump to hang on until the next major terrorist attack. Bannon has plans to set in motion on minute #1 after that. First will be a gigantic "I told you so!" victory tour. Then the terrible stuff will start.
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05-17-2017 , 12:21 PM
Amash isn't really in lockstep with GOP establishment at all though.

And also him and Trump hate each other, so that doesn't mean much.
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05-17-2017 , 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Onlydo2days
Amash isn't really in lockstep with GOP establishment at all though.

And also him and Trump hate each other, so that doesn't mean much.
this is true, but it's a Republican congressman openly talking about impeachment. that's significant.

Comey is going to publicly testify and that will cause more to follow suit
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05-17-2017 , 12:32 PM
One of Trump's underling clowns said they gotta primary Amash back in March when the first healthcare bill was released and he **** on it. I forget who, but Amash really isn't significant at all to me.

I don't think Trump is going anywhere either, he is the teflon don. But it'll be way harder for him to get infrastructure, tax reform, healthcare reform done with all of this looming and sucking up a ton of his political capital to defend himself.
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05-17-2017 , 12:34 PM
Thing with Trump is that is probably the GOAT conman and can help pass the Pence/Ryan agenda that benefits the rich at the cost of his voters without them fully realizing he is ****ing them until the **** hits the fan years down the road. And as Trump is too stupid/lazy develop policy, he is pretty much fully adopting the Pence/Ryan agenda anyway.

While Pence is also an unrepentant liar, he is not nearly as skilled as obfuscating and deceiving about what his true intentions are. So while he may be able to jam through a little more than Trump (if the House hasn't flipped by the time Trump is theoretically impeached), he is not going to retain the massive support of white working class voters that Trump did which allowed him to expand the map for Republicans.
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05-17-2017 , 12:40 PM
Honestly, Pence would be screwed if Trump stepped down. You guys are underestimating how much Trump voters would turn on the GOP and anyone who advanced their career off Trump's failings. They would be considered establishment, globalist, swampy cucks. It's a huge blow. And the GOP knows this. It would really be catastrophic to replace a force of nature for 'Murica goodness in Donald J. Trump for a empty suit George Bush knockoff.

If people wanted a Pence type as president, then Kasich/Jeb wouldn't have been polling at in at 1-5% in the primaries.

Atleast Trump can sell BS, Pence has no chance.

Which is why Trump is going nowhere without the fight of the century.
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05-17-2017 , 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
Contrast "WE NEED ALL THE FACTS" Ron Ryan today with "WE NEED TO LOCK HER UP" Ron Ryan from last summer:

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-n...htmlstory.html
Is Ron Ryan a composit of Paul Ryan and Ron Paul? Or just some other guy I've never noticed before?
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05-17-2017 , 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Onlydo2days
Honestly, Pence would be screwed if Trump stepped down. You guys are underestimating how much Trump voters would turn on the GOP and anyone who advanced their career off Trump's failings. They would be considered establishment, globalist, swampy cucks. It's a huge blow. And the GOP knows this. It would really be catastrophic to replace a force of nature for 'Murica goodness in Donald J. Trump for a empty suit George Bush knockoff.

If people wanted a Pence type as president, then Kasich/Jeb wouldn't have been polling at in at 1-5% in the primaries.

Atleast Trump can sell BS, Pence has no chance.

Which is why Trump is going nowhere without the fight of the century.
I think you're underestimating how many people will just always always always vote for "their" party
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05-17-2017 , 01:01 PM
This ****ing clown

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05-17-2017 , 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Holliday
Is Ron Ryan a composit of Paul Ryan and Ron Paul? Or just some other guy I've never noticed before?
Trump called him Ron
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05-17-2017 , 01:10 PM
You forgot the part where he said 'no politician in history has been treated more unfairly than me'

I like how he's using commencements to talk about himself now cuz that's totally what the day is about
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05-17-2017 , 01:17 PM
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I think you're underestimating how many people will just always always always vote for "their" party
Sure but there isn't much support to peel off to create a political restructuring.

GOP can't just torch off a ton of voters in 2018/2020 the way Obama could in 2012. Margin for error isn't there.
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05-17-2017 , 01:19 PM
It is really remarkable how genuinely dumb and incompetent the entire White House, and its every participant, is. Not in the political sense, or strategic sense. These are just stupid human beings, full stop.

Like, I haven't yet looked up exactly how this would work, but how on earth would one ever prove that someone as dumb as Donald Trump, or any member of his cabinet, had mens rea in an espionage prosecution?

How would you even prove the senile racist old toad we elected as president "knew," to the extent his worthless mind is able to "know" anything, that information was classified?
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05-17-2017 , 01:22 PM
who needs subpoenas when you can send STRONGLY WORDED LETTERS to be ignored by the chump house
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05-17-2017 , 01:23 PM
It's like we gave up and elected the cast of Real World LXXIV: Racist Virginia and told them "do your worst." It's still difficult to cope with this being real life.
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05-17-2017 , 01:40 PM
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It's like we gave up and elected the cast of Real World LXXIV: Racist Virginia and told them "do your worst." It's still difficult to cope with this being real life.
now that you mention it I wouldn't mind seeing CT (dadbod and all) crack some skulls in a challenge/elimination vs. Trump.
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05-17-2017 , 01:41 PM
"National Security Council officials have strategically included Trump's name in "as many paragraphs as we can because he keeps reading if he's mentioned," according to one source, who relayed conversations he had with NSC officials."

worthless old mind indeed.
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05-17-2017 , 01:42 PM
In some mercifully non-trump news, GOP Rep Duncan Hunter is also under FBI investigation

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-p...323-story.html
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05-17-2017 , 01:51 PM
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"National Security Council officials have strategically included Trump's name in "as many paragraphs as we can because he keeps reading if he's mentioned," according to one source, who relayed conversations he had with NSC officials."

worthless old mind indeed.
loooooool

NATO had to make adjustments as well:

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NATO is scrambling to tailor its upcoming meeting to avoid taxing President Donald Trump's notoriously short attention span. The alliance is telling heads of state to limit talks to two to four minutes at a time during the discussion, several sources inside NATO and former senior U.S. officials tell Foreign Policy. And the alliance scrapped plans to publish the traditional full post-meeting statement meant to crystallize NATO's latest strategic stance.

On May 25, NATO will host the heads of state of all 28 member countries in what will be Trump's first face-to-face summit with an alliance he bashed repeatedly while running for president. NATO traditionally organizes a meeting within the first few months of a new U.S. president's term, but Trump has the alliance more on edge than any previous newcomer, forcing organizers to look for ways to make the staid affair more engaging.
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05-17-2017 , 01:58 PM
I remember when Jamarcus Russell was in his second year with the raiders or something, they used to send him home with a CD that contained the upcoming game's strategy, playsets, adjustments, etc. The coaches suspected that he wasn't actually looking at it, so they gave him a blank CD once. When they asked him what he thought about the gameplan a few days later, he said "It looks good."

I imagine that's happening with Trump and his security briefings and all other pertinent information he's supposed to be consuming.
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05-17-2017 , 02:06 PM
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You forgot the part where he said 'no politician in history has been treated more unfairly than me'

I like how he's using commencements to talk about himself now cuz that's totally what the day is about
He literally leaked Liberty University's football schedule over the microphone at their commencement

And went on about how he might go see them play Army but didn't know who he should root for in that game
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