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i mean who cares what dum ppl think?
Drumpf still has 40% support, ofc that battle is never going to be won

seems like there is already some good things coming out of this info, another piece to the puzzle...

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03-14-2017 , 10:11 PM

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no one in their right mind has ever regarded Rachel Maddow as an "honest journalist," she's the left's prize hack

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03-14-2017 , 10:12 PM

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hoya, why do you think democrats and liberals are so bad at the game of politics?

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03-14-2017 , 10:12 PM

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that is a very, very long post

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03-14-2017 , 10:12 PM

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really no reason to relax, this is noteworthy empirical proof that the media is slobbering to mislead about him and attack him, and whatever credibility news stories about him had was pretty much torched for most Americans by Rachel Maddow

he's going to tout this for months as proof that the media is LOL, and he'll be right that this was LOL, and good luck to the media trying to do anything seriously before approximately 2018

the cherry on top is this is entirely self-inflicted and is only going to spin further out of control as she and MSNBC defend themselves about their journalistic duty and the IMPORTANT IMPLICATIONS of this 1040

This is largely the key, the hill they're going to die on is a boon to Trump.

They'll say, "he's not paying his fair share" which plays right into the ready made counters that the right has for that. "Well the gov't would just waste it anyway, HE'S A RICH BUSINESSMAN; A JOB CREATOR!"

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03-14-2017 , 10:13 PM

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Bottom line is that it was newsworthy so the story got done. We wouldn't give two ****s if Lester Holt or John Dickerson aired a report and showed that same return, unless it was faked in which case we fire Dan Rather.

I'll agree that the overhype was dumb but strongly disagree that it shouldn't have been aired.

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03-14-2017 , 10:13 PM

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If we're going to bemoan the publishing or airing of stories that do anything other than paint Trump in the absolute most negative light possible (and trust me I get that sentiment as much as anyone itt) then we should go ahead and stop pretending that we value honest journalism because we're no better than the comments section of a randomly-selected foxnews.com article

This wasn't news. It wasn't a story. They were not doing good journalism to report these relevant facts. They weren't trying to. They were trying to do BAD journalism. They even failed at that. They have now made it IMPOSSIBLE to do good journalism and have it matter in any meaningful way.

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03-14-2017 , 10:14 PM

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hoya, why do you think democrats and liberals are so bad at the game of politics?

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that is a very, very long post

to be clear, I don't mean "what makes them bad?" but rather "why aren't the good ones able to gain notoriety, influence, and power?"

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03-14-2017 , 10:14 PM

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seriously this

She definitely over promoted it and I guess deserves criticism for that but getting disappointed that every story about Trump isn't the one that takes him down is wrongheaded

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yep

can't believe the hysteria itt lol

maddow yelled "fire (seriously)" in a crowded movie theater and the end result of this total non-story is now the world knows drumpf paid taxes in 2005 and drumpf/spicedawg/KAC/etc get to cite this as proof the media is not to be trusted and singularly out to get drumpf

in a vacuum, ya, all she's guilty of overhyping this, but this isn't in a vacuum and what she did manage to do is undermine journalistic credibility

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03-14-2017 , 10:16 PM

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I'd estimate tonight increased his chances of reelection in 2020 by >10% singlehandedly.

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03-14-2017 , 10:17 PM

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to be clear, I don't mean "what makes them bad?" but rather "why aren't the good ones able to gain notoriety, influence, and power?"

they used to but they all got shat

well one let a girl drown but the rest got shat

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03-14-2017 , 10:17 PM

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I'd estimate tonight increased his chances of reelection in 2020 by >10% singlehandedly.

interesting position to take on the 3rd month of 2017 with a health care bill on the table that may take down the entire republican party

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03-14-2017 , 10:19 PM

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drumpf/spicedawg/KAC/etc get to cite this as proof the media is not to be trusted and singularly out to get drumpf

did they report anything that was incorrect?
did they even make an allegation?
they said here is some of his tax info from 2005, and the WH said yep
(obv they know bc they leaked it in the first place)

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she's guilty of overhyping this

but she didn't, everyone else did

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03-14-2017 , 10:19 PM

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proof the media is not to be trusted and singularly out to get drumpf

I mean, yeah maybe to some, sure. But Hannity did that stuff to Obama for 8 solid years and it didn't really stick with anyone other than those who already hated him so I think we can relax just a bit

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03-14-2017 , 10:19 PM

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interesting position to take on the 3rd month of 2017 with a health care bill on the table that may take down the entire republican party

It's that big of a deal. They basically just made it impossible for the media to legitimately criticize him. Any hope there was of swinging 5-10 million Trump voters just basically disappeared. These people don't give two ****s about actual issues. It's completely irrelevant what happens in terms of policy over the next 3 years.

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03-14-2017 , 10:20 PM

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It goes beyond Trump, if you want to win the war of ideas then don't treat cable news like it's the ****ing Ricky Lake Maury Povich show or some other BS.

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03-14-2017 , 10:20 PM

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back to the important stuff

hoaya, you go LONG on the STOCKS today bro?

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03-14-2017 , 10:20 PM

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but she didn't, everyone else did

sure she did with the tweets and the putting on of airs, plus that little thingy in the bottom right of the screen all through Haye's show, plus he hyped it himself, MSNBC probably was behind it as a ratings grab

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03-14-2017 , 10:21 PM

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Dude, it's not ****ing good enough to be better than Hannity. Hillary lost to Donald ****ing Trump for President of the United States of America. You have to DO BETTER or you will continue to lose.

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03-14-2017 , 10:22 PM

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I have, so far, functionally remained LONG on stocks and real estate even though I believe it obvious that I'm totally ****ed unless I adjust to aggressively shorting the entire country and blogging about it incessantly

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03-14-2017 , 10:22 PM

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2nd page was client copy, so literally came from trump or someone with access to trump's own copies. MSNBC got pwned hard.

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03-14-2017 , 10:24 PM

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the NYTimes reporter said they were delivered to him anonymously and that they may well have come directly from Trump for all he knows

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Appearing with Ms. Maddow, he said he had received the forms “over the transom” and did not know who had sent them. He suggested that they might even have been sent by Mr. Trump himself.

this is something that, if newsworthy, should be run below the fold in the NYTimes as a snapshot into part of a tax return, and nothing more, it should not be a sensationalized "We've got the goods (seriously)!" tweet followed by abject failure to say anything interesting at all

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03-14-2017 , 10:24 PM

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implying without ever explicitly saying is the exact same thing drumpf is attacked for

everyone else overreacting is not remotely unreasonable given the implication made by this tweet

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obama's treatment of dissenting media doesn't compare even remotely to the world we live in today

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03-14-2017 , 10:25 PM

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Is it weird that the George RR Martin dude Maddow had on got the tax return scoop and not Wikileaks?

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03-14-2017 , 10:25 PM

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It's that big of a deal. They basically just made it impossible for the media to legitimately criticize him. Any hope there was of swinging 5-10 million Trump voters just basically disappeared. These people don't give two ****s about actual issues. It's completely irrelevant what happens in terms of policy over the next 3 years.

no it's not

this undermines the media in the shortrun but when people lose health care in the coming year i doubt very sincerely the determining factor in who they vote for in 2020 will be a rachel maddow episode from 3 years ago

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