i think an interesting point that is omitted, which probably would be even more needed in mma, is to be able during the fight to make adjustments.

some refs gives more points for certain thing than others and vice versa.

So knowing after a round who won, you could adjust and do better in the next round.

example, some ref in mma think controlling the center is important while other think a takedown is worth more ,etc.

Knowing during the fight who wins, depending on which strategy you use, could be very beneficial by making adjustment instead of ending up with weird results or pursuing bad strategy depending on which refs judges the fight.

Several judgement sports don't show the score during.

Yea financially the best result for both fighters would be a Conor win undoubtedly. That would pretty much set up 2 more fights that they would each be making 9 digits.

So basically if Floyd wins he doesn't make another penny from boxing(as a fighter) and if he loses he makes another $300M or so lol

There's no point in a rematch if Conor wins. Floyd is 40 years old, the only thing keeping him relevant is his perfect record. Once that's gone, the fans who buy his PPVs to hope he loses are largely gone too.

Question: why does nobody seem to be hyping up the heavyweight division right now? If people want boxing to make a comeback it needs the heavyweights. And right now is the best the future has looked in that division for years. With proper promotion a Joshua vs Wilder fight could be huge and could blossom into a nice U.K./USA rivalry. You've also got Tyson Fury in the mix. Could be a good few years but it needs to be promoted. (In the USA at least)

Isn't that the whole problem with boxing? There's no one body to turn to.

AJ is naturally going to get bigger and bigger as he hits his Prime and once we inevitably get the Wilder/AJ fight, it will probably do well.

The cruiser weight tournament is the real chance to market boxing right now (after GGG/Canelo). No "big names" there so no real need for guys to be picky. Big power and great styles.

Can't afford to drop the ball on this one. We need at least the "first round" on free TV and a clearly defined bracket to hook people.

Boxing remains dead:

Manny/Horn the highest rated cable fight since the mid-90s

how many real fights have even been on cable?

Fewer noe than there used to be, but regardless, the numbers were apparently good on streaming services as well, which shows some level of actual interest (as opposed to just casual "oh hey this is on" interest).

This was a Manny fight tho, so the real test will be the Loma and Bud fights in Aug.

Can you imagine not showing a gymnast's score after each individual routine? Just run through all 4 events (or 6 for men) and then show a grand total at the end? That's what this is like.

Apart from that gymnasts tend not to knock each other put during the pommel horse.

So where do you guys see Horn (and Manny to be honest) fitting in among welterweight fighters?

I think the best in some order are Spence, Thurman and Bradley right now. Throw Crawford's name into the mix as soon as he moves up to 147 (should be very soon).

I would put Manny, Garcia and Porter in the next tier. Brook, Vargas and Peterson in the third tier.

I'd probably put Horn between the 2nd and 3rd tier. I thought Manny beat him + Manny clearly had a bad night.

Other names I think are just outside of the above fighters are Khan, Berto and Lucas. Maybe Broner too.

Horn isn't that good and would get pummeled by any good fighter in the division near their prime.

Hot is somewhere around 10th. Manny is just below Spence, Brook, Thurman, and Porter.

Bud will be the best WW in the world once he unifies and moves up.

This also pulled a 50k stadium crowd, which is unheard of for boxing in Australia, and pretty big for world crowds.

My very worthless 2c on Horn...

I watched his last few fights, and this was by far his best performance in terms of quality of boxing. So for me, the most likely future for him is that this was the best he will ever fight. Hopefully, he'll get a title defence for ok money, which he'll lose and fade off into obscurity.

Then there is the outside chance that he will take his game to the next level, successfully defend, and make something out of it... but I can't see that happening.

Horn just isn't a good enough fighter. He's slow and doesn't have much power. He basically punched air the entire fight and the illusion of activity was enough to get the win since Manny rarely landed anything that rocked Horn.

I think he has a chance to beat a guy like Andre Berto. Otherwise he's in the Luis Collazo or Robert Guerrero tier of WWs. The fact that BoxRec puts him at #1 at WW is a joke.

He was outlanded in all but one round. People expected Manny to at least "Algeri" him and knock him doen a few times. When that didn't happen, it have the illusion that he was doing something when it's clear he wasn't.

Even a 38-39 year old Pac crushes him in the rematch, so let's get that, then let Manny retire, then Thurman v. Spence or someone for the vacant belt.

By the same token a lot of people need to see Manny get nailed cleanly time and again to give a round to his opponent. A ton of fan boy opinions on rounds and scoring during that fight.

I'd imagine Manny wins the rematch, since he clearly looked underprepared and seemed to win anyways.

But I think you guys underrate Horn a bit. If Manny comes in better trained, he should still be close to even money vs Thurman or Spence or Porter (due to matchups Porter prolly better shot than Garcia) and a favorite vs Garcia. That's the top of the division.

I know Horn isn't that good, but you don't see his awkward style giving someone else fits? I think it's more about the matchups, the styles. Spence is probably too sharp of a hard puncher to have any issues, but I could totally see Thurman getting into too slow of a fight vs Horn and Horn not running into a wall like he did in the 9th vs Manny. Horn wouldn't be as open if it's a slower fight too (he was really pushing the pace vs Manny if you've seen Horn's previous fights).

Horn reminds me a bit of Sam Solomon or even Mauricio Herrera. He doesn't hit very hard and he seems to leave himself open, but he's very awkward and it's hard to exploit that.

I could see Horn doing well vs Brook and Garcia as well. I'm not sure Berto's aggression is still good enough to overcome Horn's style (Porter's should be though) and someone like Broner probably just loses rounds to volume and is probably more likely to lose than win despite faster hands/better chin/more power.

Brook and Garcia both floor Horn fairly easily I'd think. Brook because his movement would frustrate Horn quickly into over committing while Garcia has enough pure power to sit him down without much effort.

Manny tee-d off on Horn inside with counters. He doesn't have the same pop he had when he was younger and fighting a lighter weights, but Horn did very little defensively to make me think he's anything other than a snack for the top WWs.

Is Manny going to want to actually retire anytime soon, or does he still need $?

To paraphrase Max Kellerman: You know when boxers retire? When people stop paying them millions of dollars to fight.

Unless they're British.

British fighters seem to retire when the allure of food and/or cocaine gets to be too strong.