They'll typically turn their cards in each round to the ref who will give him to the AC rep to tabulate or directly to the AC depending on the fight.

Meh, if you gave Lopez every close round, he won 8-4 (Loma only gets 8-11, 2, 7 are swings). Lederman was probably Arum's insurance policy just like Ross scoring May/Canelo 114-114.

That, or the apple feel waaaaaay far from the tree.

Run that back 10 more times and Loma wins 10 out of 10

Quick reminder for anyone that doesn't often follow boxing: Promoters pay for judges room/board/etc when they're assigned to their fights.

Promoters preselect a list of judges they will accept and take that to the sanctioning body (WBA, WBC, etc) to approve the final 3. Once they're assigned, it's the promoter's responsibility to pay and take care of them.

It's less a system of comical sack-or-money bribes and more an obvious understanding that if you want to continue to be selected for a promoters' future fights, you'd better judge fights "correctly". To quote the Windmill champion of the world: "What's understood don't need to be explained."

“Saved” is too harsh. He clearly competed. I would say he only got outclassed between rounds 9 and 11.

That being said in a rematch I would think Loma is the clear favorite after adjustments.
And I don’t think there will be enough interest to make tons of money in a rematch either.

I rarely watch boxing and couldn't have told you anything about Lopez or Lomachenko before today. I enjoyed watching it even if it won't rank as that great a fight. Hearing the 119-109 scorecard destroyed any possible momentum this could have had towards me getting invested boxing as a sports fan.

I don't know, I think Lopez has a small advantage in a rematch. He clearly took a huge step up tonight and did very well. He threw a jab out there and in the first 4-5 rounds it honestly did look like if Loma didn't pick his spots very well he'd get countered. Lopez will be more relaxed and improved and Loma is getting older.

That said, Loma is a legendary fighter, with a little better round management you can see a clear path for him to win a rematch.

What I dont understand is that even if you have to score the fight "correctly" once you have Lopez 8-0 you can give the other rounds away no problems.

That's why I don't think it's frequently rigged in these cases, it's just poor judgement.

I've heard stories of just really poor health (eyesight, body function) about plenty of older judges at high levels too.

You have to remember, many judges have been around boxing for many years. They're used to making quick, confident decisions and perhaps have odd/outdated biases as well. Angles can be shitty too if you just sit in your chair all night. I've sat ringside at some smaller events, it's great for sound/intensity, but not as easy to judge clean vs grazed shots.

Apart from rounds 9-11. I saw rounds 6,8 and 12 to Lomachenko. But they were marginal.

The thing is that the first 5 rounds were way too passive for Lomachenko. I gave all 5 of them to Lopez.

And while Loma dominated ( imo) from round 9 to 11. The other late rounds were more complicated to score. So Loma was always putting himself in a position to get screwed specially if he is exchanging and getting hit.

I think part of the game plan was to wait Lopez out, thinking the relatively untested 23-year old kid would crack and show holes earlier in the fight but that never happened - Lopez to his credit stayed composed and patient. Yeah, Lomachenko should've been more active earlier but the way the judges were scoring the fight I doubt it would've made a difference honestly - fight would've still been edged to Lopez IMO. Had most of my money on Lomachenko by decision but I scored the fight 7-5 Lopez, with 8-4 Lopez and a draw also being reasonable scores (though I felt the fight was a little closer to 8-4 than a draw). But you also have to give a lot of credit to Lopez for his dominance in those early rounds - the jab and those body shots did a lot to discourage Loma from getting inside... it wasn't necessarily just a planned strategy for Loma to wait Lopez out in the early stages of the fight. Lopez dictated a lot of that inactivity (to his credit) and he won the fight fair and square, even if the scoring was garbage...

The fact that these fights don’t go 15 rounds anymore is a shame. Heavyweights 12 rounds fine, every other division fight for a belt should be 15 rounds. Not enough damage done to either fighter for someone to determine a “winner”

People in this thread saying Loma 100% wins a rematch, what fight were you watching? Lopez did a great job, especially earlier in the fight, keeping the fight at a distance and really playing up his advantage as being the bigger, stronger fighter with the reach advantage. Loma looks small in there against Lopez and he had real trouble closing the gap and taking the fight inside.

For anyone that didn't see it the Ritson decision last night was a shocker.

Again, its hugely unlikely there are outright bribery issues in boxing (even the Ross' and Byrd's of the sport), at least not at the highest levels. It's just a culture that conditions judges to score according to the narrative.

The narrative might be "The bigger draw needs a win", "Fighter X is the A side", or "We expect Fighter X to fight defensively but he's really coming out swinging". If you're predisposed to giving every close round to the "right" guy or judging blocked punches as clean, the rest pretty much does itself.

With the exception of the 12th round, Loma won every major exchange in the fight and was landing his jab cleanly, snapping Teo's head back pretty often.

Teo won the first rounds, but those were rounds decided by 9 mostly-blocked Teo jabs vs. 2 Loma jabs. Maybe that's because Teo was doing a great job managing distance or maybe it's because Loma was rusty/had too much respect, but either way Teo wasn't landing consistent or hard shots in the early rounds.

It's not crazy to assume Loma doesn't give away so many early rounds next time and when he chose to open up, save for the 12th, Teo basically had no answer.

Boxing scoring has always been shady and most likely will continue due to no real punishment for bad scoring. Judges should be scored on how well they judge fights and only the best judges should be there for big fights.

Many years back, I bet Manny Pacquiao vs Tim bradley (2012) and put a solid amount on a big fav (pac) and he ended up losing a split decision. I didn't watch the fight but followed the fight results and it seemed scorecards had pac way ahead. Bradley somehow won a split decision. Anyone that tells me boxing scoring isn't corrupt is incompetent.

I'm not sure why anyone would bet on boxing honestly (I should follow this). Even betting things such as win by UD, win by X amount of pts in a handicap type bet, etc. From what I've seen with boxing, it just seems too shady how some people score fights. I honestly feel judges will score fights in a way to favor places like vegas to make money on suckers that might make certain types of bets. Scoring is just too poor too often in boxing.

No question Lopez won that fight last night but he didn't win by such a wide margin. 2nd half of the fight, I can't see lomo losing majority of the rounds. He lost the 12th but he was the better boxer for majority of 2nd half of fight. Btw complaining about the score when you throw 5-6 punches in the 1st 5 rounds is comical. Throw a jab atleast. i will score a round to a fighter that lands 8/50 over 2/6 all day. Activity is huge in boxing and even throwing + not landing clean is much more better for scoring vs just sitting there and blocking.

A lot of judges and refs - Julie Lederman and Adelaide Byrd being notable examples - got their positions through being politically connected (in the boxing world). Their jobs are secure almost regardless of how poorly they score a fight and IMO that's a large part of the problem - no accountability. Always the same crop of 25-30 judges for the big fights - it gets old after a while.

I was at the Pac/Bradley fight back in 2012. Bet the underdog Bradley to win though - like pretty much everyone else - felt he lost a clear decision.

I do sometimes wonder about the role Bob Arum might play in the scoring for some of these Top Rank fights. For Pacquiao/Bradley I, Pacquiao was nearing the end of his contract with Top Rank and facing an up-and-coming, undefeated fighter in Tim Bradley - a fighter who Arum was extremely fond of. Result ends up being a ridiculous robbery. For Pacquiao/Horn, Pacquiao was in the last fight of his contract with Top Rank (a point which Top Rank disputed) and was desperately wanting to get out. So Pacquiao gets matched with another undefeated fighter in Jeff Horn - in his home country of Australia - and loses another very controversial decision (I know some felt Horn won that fight but most, including myself, thought he lost).

Now we have Lomachenko, who to my understanding is at the end of a 5-year contract he signed with Top Rank back in 2015. He's put in with the young, up and coming undefeated fighter in Lopez and takes a loss that, while being a legit loss, appeared to have been scored in a way that he would've "lost" even if he'd taken 7 or 8 rounds from Teo...

This is what I was alluding to earlier. It's not a secret that Arum would be better served if his younger fighter beat the older guy and got the rub. It would be incredibly naive to think that judges don't know that and that it effects them, at least subconsciously.

This is a good point. I also think Lopez is much more profitable in say the next 5-6 years vs a lomachenko. I feel the draw for a 23 year old american is a little more vs a 32 year old ukranian guy that isn't really exciting and more likely has a limited career life compared to a 23 yo.

I feel like a sucker for betting so much on the fight and just betting it in general. Lomo was coming off a pretty damn long layoff while lopez has looked insanely good recently and has more recent fight experience. His win against commey was insanely good and commey isn't a bum.



Will say this, I think LOMO would win a rematch honestly. I'll always take a better boxer over a power puncher. I feel those first few rounds, lomo was gunshy due to ring rust. I could be wrong, but I just feel he could win. I honestly wouldn't fight him if i was lopez again. I felt the first few rounds, sure lopez won the rounds but its not like he was really damaging lomo. I felt lomo was just going pure defense and not even throwing a jab which was pathetic. honestly maybe both of them were in on it. I just don't see why lomo wouldn't even try to throw some jabs in first few rounds to try and score a bit.

another one of these ******ed robberies. tiring.

I didn't see the entire Selby fight, but a lot of comments made it seem like it could go either way by a good amount of rounds too.

Chisora pressing Usyk fairly well, but don't think he's doing enough damage and he looks tired as ****. If Usyk has the energy, he should start to pick Chisora apart as he slows.

Chisora just collapsed into his corner at the end of 7, he got buzzed there for sure. He looks pretty spent. Usyk looking pretty nice, handling the power quite well.

Usyk been dominating and landing well, but he's having to move a ton in rd 10 as Chisora seems to have caught a bit of a wind. I think the only risk for Usyk is if he gasses out/gets lazy and takes a big shot, but he's showing great energy throughout.

This ref sucks by the way. Takes forever to break them up when one is in a headlock, hasn't said a word about low blows. Might as well have a cardboard cutout in there for this match.

Holy **** Davis KTFO on Cruz.

This was another genius play by PBC, Haymon is really in a league of his own. Both fighters get paid a ton. LSC is on the downside of his peak, he's in a higher weight class, he was never a big power guy, very active and could be hit. Perfect way to showcase Davis in a fight where he can really put his hand speed and power on display and he'll look more accurate and powerful on avg bc of what I said about LSC. Everyone really wins here*

*I know LSC got hammered here, but big punches are generally less harmful than full fights worth of damage, and LSC could've fought 4-6x contenders with no names for similar money as he made tonight.