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02-23-2020 , 02:07 PM
Crazy how Wilder crumbled the same way Joshua did after a vicious ear shot. He really had no legs under him after that, amazing he lasted as long as he did really.
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02-23-2020 , 02:21 PM
Damn - is ruptured ear drum something you can recover from?
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02-23-2020 , 02:33 PM
Not sure, I know someone with ear problems and air travel and swimming are pretty much a no-go unless completely necessary.

I was taught if you're ever in a fight, don't punch. Firstly, chances are you can't properly and will just hurt your hand, and, if you can, you could kill someone. Both bad.

Instead cup your hand and smash it over the other persons ear. Very effective.
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02-23-2020 , 02:41 PM
Yea it was obv the ear rupture messed with his balance but he just generally doesn't seem to have capable footwork period. Hes a badass mother ****er who can kill with one punch, but not a boxer. Still, is generally good enough apparently
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02-23-2020 , 05:13 PM
I'd imagine he'll exercise the rematch option in the next 30 days. I think you have to unless you have a serious injury, the money is too great and Wilder isn't young and doesn't have an immediate huge money alternative.

What do you think the odds will open up at for the trilogy fight? I would guess 2-1 or 3-1 Fury. Unlike Joshua Ruiz I, Wilder did nothing effective in this fight and Fury fought him differently than he's experienced to date and he looked like he had zero answers for it.
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02-23-2020 , 06:01 PM
Otto Wallin sure looks pretty damn good rn.
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02-23-2020 , 06:03 PM
From my experience, ear drum injuries recovery and the time it takes varies with the individual. I have been seeing an ENT specialist for a few years after getting off a flight and my ears not popping.

I had to have tubes put in my eardrums to relieve the pressure and fluid buildup behind them. The tubes eventually fall out and either need to be replaced or left out if the underlying problem cleared up. If left out the hole may or may not heal and close up. In my case it took several months but it did close up.

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02-23-2020 , 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by DodgerIrish
Otto Wallin sure looks pretty damn good rn.
Wallin v. Wilder. Why not? Sure it doesn't make any financial sense but they're both HWs with 1 loss who's one is to Fury.
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02-23-2020 , 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by ChicagoRy
I'd imagine he'll exercise the rematch option in the next 30 days. I think you have to unless you have a serious injury, the money is too great and Wilder isn't young and doesn't have an immediate huge money alternative.

What do you think the odds will open up at for the trilogy fight? I would guess 2-1 or 3-1 Fury. Unlike Joshua Ruiz I, Wilder did nothing effective in this fight and Fury fought him differently than he's experienced to date and he looked like he had zero answers for it.
Wilder will almost certainly take the 3rd fight and the odds will no doubt be long as all hell. Fury proved without question he's the better boxer over 19 rounds and over the most recent 7 rounds he absolutely dominated Wilder. There doesn't seem to be much a 34 year old Wilder can do to alter his style to match Fury. He's too far behind technically at this point.
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02-23-2020 , 09:25 PM
Do we really need to see Fury beat Wilder for a third time? Give me Fury vs Joshua.
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02-23-2020 , 10:14 PM
Could the rematch be in the UK? Don't really see it doing as well in the US next time.

I mean it was a 1 sided beatdown where Wilder was completely exposed as nothing more than a 1 shot KO artist.

Agree Wilder has to exercise the rematch option. He made more $ last night than like every American HW boxer over the last 15 years combined.

Also, I was wrong on this fight. I just thought Fury needed to do so much more to win with masterful footwork/technique and a power gap like they had in modern HW boxing was more than likely going to negate everything else.
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02-23-2020 , 11:05 PM
I feel kinda dopey for betting as much as I did on wilder.

Even his last fight against Ortiz, it seemed like he was losing the fight on points by a wide margin but came up with a good right hand for the ko. How do people think he would do against Joshua? I’m guessing he would get outboxed like he did against fury.

I do think he could beat fury potentially but feel he should not take the rematch and rather take 2-3 fights including maybe 1-2 tuneups. Think he should change trainers and maybe go to someone like Virgil hunter + really work on defense and strategy. He’s probably a little too old though (can’t teach an old dog new tricks per se).

If I was a boxer, I would work on defense and try to emulate Floyd mayweather. I think defense like Floyd’s will keep a boxer in the game a long time and you can always count on winning by pts if you are better boxer who can evade. Obv floyd mayweather is a blessed with so much talent, speed, etc but I feel avoiding damage will extend a career and really help when a boxer might have trouble with an opponent. Was really hoping fury would be #1 and a great American boxer in heavyweight division. No doubt, his insane power most likely hurt his progression as a boxer as I’m sure he didn’t have to work as hard as others less gifted with that natural punching power. Thing is, when you go against the best of the best, that raw punching power will not prevail as shown in the fury fight. Think fury v Joshua will be a great fight and really let the world know who the best heavyweight is.
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02-24-2020 , 01:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Onlydo2days
Could the rematch be in the UK? Don't really see it doing as well in the US next time.

I mean it was a 1 sided beatdown where Wilder was completely exposed as nothing more than a 1 shot KO artist.

Agree Wilder has to exercise the rematch option. He made more $ last night than like every American HW boxer over the last 15 years combined.

Also, I was wrong on this fight. I just thought Fury needed to do so much more to win with masterful footwork/technique and a power gap like they had in modern HW boxing was more than likely going to negate everything else.
Americans are delusional and still think wilder is good.
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02-24-2020 , 03:28 AM
Great interview (probably would have been useful for those who were betting Wilder):

"Lennox Lewis, Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield, Riddick Bowe, they'd have done my son a year ago in two rounds." "I'm saying it because he shouldn't have been in there." "I was in better shape." "He was as weak as a kitten"

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02-24-2020 , 04:44 AM
Haha never seen his dad before, he's great.
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02-24-2020 , 08:20 AM
I think Peter Fury served time for trying to gouge out someone's eye in a car park. He may know boxing but I suspect he's a real thug.

Anyway, I really don't see why the Wilder team have to invoke the rematch. There wouldn't be anything like the same hype next time and there is no loss of face in saying that they want a third fight, but in a year or so. It just seems like a very bad match up for Wilder.
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02-24-2020 , 09:28 AM
Rewatching the fight i can't get over how absurd that point deduction was.
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02-24-2020 , 10:35 AM
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I think Peter Fury served time for trying to gouge out someone's eye in a car park. He may know boxing but I suspect he's a real thug.

Anyway, I really don't see why the Wilder team have to invoke the rematch. There wouldn't be anything like the same hype next time and there is no loss of face in saying that they want a third fight, but in a year or so. It just seems like a very bad match up for Wilder.
i think the problem is that with boxing politics and fury's general unpredictability (shouldn't surprise anyone if he goes through another breakdown of sorts) that there is no guarantee he ever gets that shot again. i also think there will still be a ton of people who want to see it particularly after they come up with some semi-plausible sounding injury excuse (or say it was a mistake to add on all that weight or whatever) that allows idiots like me or whoever else to talk themselves into it being legit. i would still like to see it even though i'm a bit of a wilder hater he is must watch stuff. this being boxing i'm just worried we will get some garbage and have to wait 2 years before seeing fury in with AJ and in the meantime i would rather watch a spectacle like 3rd fight than fury v joseph parker or whatever. if i trusted wilder's ability to not lose in the next 2 years and build himself back up and fury not to just retire or whatever i would feel differently. i think he needs to just make the money even though it is kind of a cash out really. make that money player

FWIW books have wilder at like 3-1 dog which honestly sounds about right to me even as badly as he got whooped.

contrary to what some are saying i actually don't think he did jack all in this fight i thought he landed about two punches that in real time looked pretty huge to me and fury rolled with them/shook them off impressively. i just don't feel great about ever counting someone like wilder out as bad as a boxer as he is.

saw some speculation about fury/aj *not* being in the UK because they can make more money and that's probably right. i don't know why I didn't consider that but damn that would just be a travesty. that british crowd for that fight would be one of the best in the history of sport. i would consider flying out for that one
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02-24-2020 , 11:46 AM
Wilder never wins another fight. Too weak mentally.
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02-24-2020 , 12:33 PM
didnt seem like a mental issue. rather a skill issue.wilder is definitely pretty tough and durable.
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02-24-2020 , 02:31 PM
Look at the load up on that second hook. Right hand down, zero fear of any counter. Dude was teeing off.

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02-24-2020 , 07:06 PM
I thought both fights were pretty entertaining and would gladly watch a third one, even if it's just to watch Wilder get another beatdown.

Much rather watch a fight like this than a snooze-fest like Mayweather-Pacquiao.

But would prefer to watch Fury-Joshua next which I think will be pretty interesting too. Would watch Joshua-Wilder too.
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02-24-2020 , 07:38 PM
Wilder says he lost because his costume was too heavy. No excuses though.
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02-24-2020 , 08:15 PM
What's the point of the costume anyway? It looks so stupid and reportedly he spent $40K on it. And it also makes for a lousy excuse for a loss.
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02-24-2020 , 08:27 PM
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Wilder says he lost because his costume was too heavy. No excuses though.


Wow, I thought you were kidding about this, lol
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