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12-02-2018 , 01:49 AM
Fury didn’t lose a single round except when he got knocked down
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12-02-2018 , 01:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Kirbynator
id like to see the numbers for the first 5 rounds i know most people had em for Fury but most of them were close
Just watch the rounds.
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12-02-2018 , 01:50 AM
in what world was this fight 115-111 Wilder

like i tell myself dont watch this, dont bet on it. but i still do.

its ****ing disgusting

**** those judges up their corrupted ****s
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12-02-2018 , 01:50 AM
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Originally Posted by kingofcool
ggg was robbed but this is way worse. what is wrong with this sport...
GGG 1 was worse than this, 116-112 pretty clearly. This was pretty clearly no worse than 114-112, but it takes less screw ups tonight to botch the score.
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12-02-2018 , 01:51 AM
Its always lolboxing

with that said i think a draw is fair

Fury controlled majority of the match

Wilder took alot of devastating hits from fury and didnt fall

Fury fell twice

Easy draw imo
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12-02-2018 , 01:52 AM
The majority of the rounds were pretty clear to me. A draw is EXTREMELY generous if not impossible to give but somehow they did it.

Thank **** I don't pay for fights.
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12-02-2018 , 01:54 AM
saw a couple media cards giving it 114-114

* i think those were the numbers for a draw
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12-02-2018 , 01:54 AM
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Originally Posted by ChicagoRy
GGG 1 was worse than this, 116-112 pretty clearly. This was pretty clearly no worse than 114-112, but it takes less screw ups tonight to botch the score.
Most seem to have it 115-111, so it is definitely not c learly no worse than 114-112.
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12-02-2018 , 01:57 AM
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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob
The majority of the rounds were pretty clear to me. A draw is EXTREMELY generous if not impossible to give but somehow they did it.

Thank **** I don't pay for fights.
You could argue a draw is generous yes, I just dont see how someone can win after being knocked down twice while their opponent stayed on their feet the entire night. i know boxing isnt scored that way though.
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12-02-2018 , 01:58 AM
God bless Malignaggi. A ray of light in that studio.
115-111 Wilder is akin to CJ Ross scoring Mayweather vs. Canelo a draw.

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Originally Posted by H0RUS
You could argue a draw is generous yes, I just dont see how someone can win after being knocked down twice while their opponent stayed on their feet the entire night.
Because that's how boxing rules work. It is not some barfight or toughman competition (which Fury would have won both btw, heh)
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12-02-2018 , 02:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Kirbynator
saw a couple media cards giving it 114-114
That’s impossible with 2 knock downs. 228 points means all rounds were 10-9s
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12-02-2018 , 02:02 AM
How the **** did he get up
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12-02-2018 , 02:02 AM
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Originally Posted by PeteBlow
That’s impossible with 2 knock downs. 228 points means all rounds were 10-9s
Most media who score are just clueless. There are few reporters score i'd even consider. Usually badlefthook is good (when Scott Christ does it) but tonight their guy gave Wilder a round based on "Wilder 10-9 because he drew first blood". Won a round because of a small cut on the nose.

Oh well. A clear robbery, and i fell for it again. In some ways i hope Fury vs. Joshua is next because Wilder deserves **** all. This should be treated like when Pac didn't rematch Jeff Horn.
Ortiz and Wilder can have a rematch, that i'd like to see.

HW division have some interesting up and coming prospects. Will be interesting to follow for the next few years.
Joe Joyce definitely could win a title.
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12-02-2018 , 02:08 AM
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Originally Posted by H0RUS
Its always lolboxing

with that said i think a draw is fair

Fury controlled majority of the match

Wilder took alot of devastating hits from fury and didnt fall

Fury fell twice

Easy draw imo
That's not how boxing works
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12-02-2018 , 02:10 AM
Pretty fine with it working that way tbh
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12-02-2018 , 02:10 AM
Let's look at the plus side. If Fury can keep his head clear (I realize the Texas sized "IF" here, but he seems to have potentially found his purpose in life beyond boxing), he's 3 years younger than Wilder (30 vs. 33 respectively), so this isn't a GGG/Canelo situation where you can just rob a fighter enough times that they age out.

Would happily see these two fight again, with a clear rooting interest this time.q
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12-02-2018 , 02:13 AM
If they fight again it better be way the **** out of the good old USA. Maybe somewhere with less robberies like Germany or Russia.
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12-02-2018 , 02:17 AM
Per Judgecard app (134 fans scoring round-by-round):
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12-02-2018 , 02:22 AM
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Originally Posted by kingofcool
so ****ing disgusting.. i cant believe it. again they do this. 115-111 WILDER? 113-113? what in the actual ****.. RIOT.
113-113 was the legit draw if you scored the non-KD rounds 7-3... which would be OK except you would strain mightily to argue 7-2-1
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Originally Posted by RT
That's not how boxing works
I thought it was great that Bernstein pointed this out until I realized a moment later that my Fury bet was dust

****ing unbelievable ****ing horse**** and if you somehow subscribe to the "whole-fight" scoring philosophy, Fury's straight up movie-style snap to attention (he was dreaming about his dad's watch) should've swung you back to him

unreal
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12-02-2018 , 02:23 AM
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12-02-2018 , 02:27 AM
Those scorecards are unreal. Rochin gave the first 4 rounds to Wilder, what the hell? Tapper wrote the wrong points total under Wilder. All three judges gave round 1 to Wilder.
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12-02-2018 , 02:30 AM
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Originally Posted by RT
That's not how boxing works
yes it is

its time to get with the program
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12-02-2018 , 02:31 AM
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Originally Posted by kingofcool
If they fight again it better be way the **** out of the good old USA. Maybe somewhere with less robberies like Germany or Russia.
lol @ Germany and Russia having fewer robberies. Maybe because they have fewer title fights, you can say that they have fewer robberies in raw numbers. But they favor home fighters like every country does. They favored Arthur Abraham and Felix Sturm over Martin Murray. Nikolai Valuev won an abomination of a decision over Evander Holyfield and Fedor Chudinov recently robbed Nadjib Mohammedi there.

Sadly, that's the way it is. Judges favor the hometown fighter because they know who butters their bread. The promoters pay them and pay for their expenses and although they may not have final say over judges, they certainly have enough influence to exclude judges that don't judge the way they like.

Promoters own boxing and controversial decisions will exist so long as people are willing to pay for their fights.
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12-02-2018 , 02:31 AM
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Originally Posted by kingofcool
Most seem to have it 115-111, so it is definitely not c learly no worse than 114-112.
Sorry I was contradictory, I meant 114-112 is as close as you could call it. I guess by that token maybe you can do 115-113 GGG in the first fight, which would make it an equal robbery then, though I'd imagine when you look at the 50+ media scores for both you'll see more 116-112 GGG scores than 115-111 Fury.

I was just trying to say "not clearly worse than GGG Canelo 1" is all.
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12-02-2018 , 02:32 AM
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Originally Posted by ChicagoRy
Those scorecards are unreal. Rochin gave the first 4 rounds to Wilder, what the hell? Tapper wrote the wrong points total under Wilder. All three judges gave round 1 to Wilder.
Seeing that ****ing blew my mind.

Giving the first 4 to Wilder is an admission of guilt to me. Alejandro is either CJ Ross levels of incompetent or CJ Ross levels of corrupt.

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Originally Posted by H0RUS
yes it is

its time to get with the program
You can KC can start your own thing, but boxing is a sport with rules. Judges should follow the rules. Wanting it to be one way doesn't make you anything but wrong.
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