Goal of the match is to win afaik

You ******s spent a decade derping that # of slams was the only thing that mattered and ignored all the context of the debate. You did this because you are rabid, irrational, and pathetic Roger Federer stans. You waited in the blistering cold for him for 4 hours and he just said no

Now that Novak is obviously going to retire with more grand slams, in a much tougher era to win in, you are desperately and pathetically trying to shift the goalposts to ensure your boyhood crush can still be considered the GOAT.

It's been like 7 years since Federer was the GOAT. Novak is the GOAT now for the same reason he was the GOAT 7 years ago. Nothing has really changed. Except for the fact that hes now a big favorite to beat Fed's record you held so dear.

How is it a tougher era to win in if a 37/38yr old Federer is massively better than the world #4?

27yr old Federer wins easily in 3 sets vs that level of Djokovic yesterday

All 3 are way better than they should be at their ages, but none are even close to their best level, they all are aging at the same time, and no one came up to punish their declines.

I can't be the only one who thought Fed could have locked up GOAT status when he had those two match points in the final set. Can't think of any other scenario where GOAT equity swung so much in such a small window.

Djoko can't let Fed win one slam or his GOAT equity immediately drops to zero, seems fair

It's pretty simple. During Novak's reign as best player, players 2-8 are a lot better than they were for most of Fed's reign at #1

Comparing to golf, Tiger Woods and Fed have some similarities but also a major difference.

They both were the GOAT and both dominated an era that was much easier than their sport became.

The main difference though is that in golf no one person has been able to dominate the way Tiger did. So he stays the GOAT.

In tennis though Novak came along and has basiclaly been as good or better than Fed in that tougher era while also regularly dicking him down h2h in big moments.

This is hilarious, Federer looks so pissed when Djokovic calls him ONE of the greatest of all-time instead of THE greatest like Fed is used to hearing

And then when Djokovic says he plans on playing until at least 37 as well the sheer panic strikes

I believe the kids call that a reach.

Having Wooderson on your side in any debate usually equates to an insta L

Sorry Vak attack fans

Also can we please give him a timeout for using the R word. Kind of stuff shouldn't have any place anywhere.

Federer with the "that's not what I ****ing meant" look

I would honestly be shocked if Novak is winning slams even close to 37. His style of play has to wear on the body at some point you would think but same was kind of said for Nadal. Roger never had a style that was so brutal on the body which is part of why he is where he is at 37. And the drugs. Fed gonna be all in at the US Open to protect the legacy.

I thought he specifically changed his style to defensive baseline pusher for longevity. He was way more aggressive in 2011.

But murray (sorry to you brits) just was never in the same cat as his superiors. joke "ending" is him winning another gs.

over .5 is the LOCK of the CENTURY.

\the problem i have with these stats is nadals dominance on clay. everyone knows hes the goat clay man. its not debatable. if you filter that out he looks way less impressive than the other 2

If Novak said " arguably a top 5 all time player" it would finally prove my theory that Novak reads 2p2.

Somehow on a poker forum there's people making a RANGZ argument when Djokovic was worse than 37 year old Federer. You'd think there'd be some level of understanding variance, but nope.

Call me crazy but I don't think these 3 have declined very much at all. There's a reason they are still the best. Obviously a huge part is they are amazing tennis talents all at the same time, but a key point in the fitness regimes and all is that in the olden days a top player would be at like 75% their best, which meant they were more like the 40th, 120th, or completely out of tennis completely, but today i think they are more like 99 or 98% their original form. so yeah the newer talent just doesn't compare but it isn't that the greats have fallen off too much.

there's a TON of studies on sports and when athletes fall off, and the ones involving pure athleticism (sprinting, for example) you peak around 22 or 23 (insanely quickly!) and then there's fall off, but other sports like soccer goalies/central defenders, nfl quarterbacks to an extent, even certain big men in the nba due to understanding defenses (used to be 27-29 was thought of prime, but now for most players its more like 25-27, but again super bigs exhibit a gradual improvement of defensive RAPM and the like well until their early 30s!)

point is athlete's peaks and all is misunderstood and varies heavily depending on the individual and the sport. im not really convinced novak is all that far from his peak, and tennis is SUCH a cerebral game (such a huge mental game) and that stuff continues to age well. chess players as well, they peak way later than other athletes.

for example, i wouldn't be shocked if nadal was still playing tennis and wants to compete he will still be the favorite if he chooses in 2025. *on clay

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lol at the title change

didnt even know what thread this was anymore

Well yes, hence the RANGZ argument. Fed still performed better in the match. While I'm sure Federer has also won matches in which he was the inferior player, yesterday the opposite was true.

I have no idea if this post is parody or not. wp

If Novak retires with more RANGZ than Roger, I will acknowledge that he is the GOAT

I will probably never think Rafa is the GOAT just because his RANGZ are so inflated by being the GOAT on clay and cant see him winning enough on other surfaces besides clay

Novak is not the GOAT because he won yesterday or because he outplayed Fed yesterday, he was already the GOAT BEFORE yesterday - that's what Fed fans need to understand.

He gave Fed a chance to catch up to him by playing his D- game and Fed still could not capitalize. Yesterday reminded me of the Roddick-Fed 2009 final where the inferior opponent was playing way over his head, as good as he could possibly play and the superior opponent had a very meh day but the match still ended with the inferior opponent coming up short.

20 years from now no one is going to remember a 37 year old Federer almost beating novak. What they are going to remember is novak being the all time grand slam leader and dominating Federer en route to GOAT status

Anyone using the argument Fed played better so it actually elevates his goat status is delusional and needs to get off the Federer sperm juice.

This is the equivalent to people arguing about and questioning Brons championships with the heat and kd with the Thunder. No one is going to care about the specifics. They won end of story.