Looks like the men are around 50% on second serve win percentage, with the best players up in the high 50s. It looks like it would just make it a flip as to who wins each game instead of being a huge advantage to the server, it certainly wouldn't tilt it 90% to the returner or anything like that.

Oh good, another extremely subjective judgment call we can use to bitch about the refs and claim the games are fixed. How the **** are you gonna determine what's "purposeful"? I mean it'll be obvious when the team that's trailing late is intending to foul, but if the defender is sort of going for the ball when he does it, what's the call?

That's the rule now the refs just never call it. The NBA championship was decided by this. With like 20 sec left Ginobili is going up for a lay up, Ray Allen wraps him up with both arms and that was not called intentional, had it been San An wins the title. How is it when the coach is screaming "FOUL, FOUL!!!! at the top of his lungs these fouls still are determined to be unintentional?

Wat? You're thinking about off the ball fouls in the last two minutes.

nba: fine/suspend referees who make late foul calls after the shot misses.

nba doesn't have intentional fouls only flagrant.

i'm not sure if lower/other leagues even still have intentional fouls. i know they used to and know what you're talking about but that's not a current nba rule.

nba: if there is a review on out of bounds call where the player who hit it out of bounds conclusively was fouled and the foul was not called, if that player's team maintains possession after review, every ref in the game will be banned from reffing any more games for life and fined the maximum amount.

Ur upset

+1

yes i am; that's irrelevant

The more practicale take away from that game is "If you're going to use replay, allow EVERYTHING to be reviewed and don't protect the egos of the asshats who've spend the past 40 years proving they need help".

All this stupid limited replay system does is expose 1- the impossible of reffing an NBA game in real time 2- how ****ty these refs are, both in terms of what they miss and their decision making process.

You people are aware there is an NBA rule that if you hit someone's hand that causes the ball to go out of bounds it's out on you, right?

seems likely that means unless it goes off of something else first like another person or another part of the persons body

Yeah I'm not claiming I know if it applies, seems ambiguous. Just nobody seems to be aware of it b/c it's not common knowledge.

I thought basically everyone was aware of the "the hand is part of the ball" rule. I also agree that it is ambiguous as to whether it has to go out directly or can touch something else on its way out, but think a strict interpretation yields the latter and the common interpretation would yield the former.

nba:

if after the whistle, one of the offensive players shoots the ball, if the ball goes in, the defensive team will be called for a technical foul. if the ball misses, the offensive team will be called for a technical foul. if the defense team is able to goal-tend the shot, nothing is called. said shot must be from at least 18 feet away.

Great rule they should implement this immediately

No, do not do this, and do not do this because egos need protecting, but because the 20% of calls that it's impossible to tell either way gobble up more and more time. I don't watch much NBA, but I couldn't believe that they are stopping games in the first quarter to determine if something is a flagrant-1 or just a foul. The NFL is already becoming unwatchable live with the insane emphasis on replay.

The NBA definitely needs less variance and more stoppages during the final minutes

good idea. maybe they could stop the clock every time no one is dribbling?

Sure, NFL games are long, but how much of a difference does 5 minutes make? It's not replay that's making games unacceptably long. I would much rather an already long game be 20 minutes longer and get it right. Just to me personally, there's few things worse than the outcome of a game being decided by a blown call. I'll trade a lot to avoid that.

I think with things like flagrants specifically you could alter the rules to have more of that be an after the fact review and not take up real game time.

I think the reviews to add tenths of a second to the clock are bad/silly. If you can eliminate those and focus on actual blown calls, maybe challenge system or something, that's an improvement.

In terms of game length, I think you could do with a big reworking of NBA timeout rules. There's so many stoppages of play with late game fouls that you could do something to limit the number/frequency of timeouts and not lose much.

Mentioned on a sports radio show this morning but what is the actual rule on inbounding the basketball and when the 5 second count stops? Some were claiming it's supposed to stop when the ball is touched but refs don't enforce it. If that's not the way it's written then I'd change that. Too many of these players nowadays letting the ball roll up the court with 8 mins left in the second quarter or first half pointless.

NBA: Outlaw rigging, call traveling.

5 seconds stops when you inbound the ball

In what sense is not calling traveling a bad thing? I'm one of the most rule loving dudes out there, but I'd much rather see some awesome And1 moves than fret over a carry.