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10-05-2012 , 09:50 PM
Baseballs infield fly rule. Why call the batter out if the defense purposefully drops the ball. The defensive team did not make the play. Instead of calling the batter out, they should call it an error and award the batter 1st base. It's like a ground rule double but call it an "infield fly rule single". If the ruling is made the defense can not pick the ball up and make an out.

Why punish the batter. They should punish the fielders.

Last edited by powder_8s; 10-05-2012 at 09:57 PM.
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10-05-2012 , 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by powder_8s
Baseballs infield fly rule. Why call the batter out if the defense purposefully drops the ball. The defensive team did not make the play. Instead of calling the batter out, they should call it an error and award the batter 1st base. It's like a ground rule double but call it an "infield fly rule single". If the ruling is made the defense can not pick the ball up and make an out.

Why punish the batter. They should punish the fielders.
The rule is intended to prevent the defense from intentionally dropping the ball to get the runner in scoring position out instead of the hitter.
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10-05-2012 , 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by gusmahler
The rule is intended to prevent the defense from intentionally dropping the ball to get TWO outs from runners who are forced to tag up, instead of one out from catching the ball.
Fixed your explanation.
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10-05-2012 , 10:49 PM
Make "Wild card" games true to name. Instead of being some also-ran, they should be a mystery team chosen at random. Or better yet, a a team made up of disparate players from the league; say fan favorites or otherwise colorful characters.
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10-05-2012 , 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by powder_8s
Baseballs infield fly rule. Why call the batter out if the defense purposefully drops the ball. The defensive team did not make the play. Instead of calling the batter out, they should call it an error and award the batter 1st base. It's like a ground rule double but call it an "infield fly rule single". If the ruling is made the defense can not pick the ball up and make an out.

Why punish the batter. They should punish the fielders.
They should give the batting team the ability to decline the out if it's dropped.

In other words the ump signals the infield fly rule, but the play should play out if the ball is dropped. If the defense gets a double play or something the batting team would take the out.

However if the defense f's up and doesn't get anyone out, so be it.

If the play is better for the batting team, they'll take the play. If the batter being out is better for them, they'll take the out.

In other words it would always punish the defense for dropping it and never reward them, as it should be.
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10-05-2012 , 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Cotton Hill
They should give the batting team the ability to decline the out if it's dropped.

In other words the ump signals the infield fly rule, but the play should play out if the ball is dropped. If the defense gets a double play or something the batting team would take the out.

However if the defense f's up and doesn't get anyone out, so be it.

If the play is better for the batting team, they'll take the play. If the batter being out is better for them, they'll take the out.

In other words it would always punish the defense for dropping it and never reward them, as it should be.
Not a bad idea an FWIW there is precedence in MLB for that kind of "see what happens then take the best outcome".

On catcher's interference if you put the ball in play you can elect to take the outcome of the play or treat it identically to a HBP.
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10-05-2012 , 11:51 PM
Or just give everyone a base after a dropped infield fly. No need for automatic outs.
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10-06-2012 , 01:41 AM
MLB: After the regular season ends the #1 seed gets to choose if they want to play the #3 seed or the WildCard ShowDown winner in Round1. They shouldn't be allowed to wait and see who wins that game, just give them the option after the season ends. It wouldn't slow anything down and would be more fair.

Obviously this year Yankees would take the Tigers.
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10-06-2012 , 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by PyramidScheme
MLB: After the regular season ends the #1 seed gets to choose if they want to play the #3 seed or the WildCard ShowDown winner in Round1. They shouldn't be allowed to wait and see who wins that game, just give them the option after the season ends. It wouldn't slow anything down and would be more fair.

Obviously this year Yankees would take the Tigers.
+!
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10-07-2012 , 07:33 PM
No more replay in NFL. Reason 1 it delays the game. MLB,NHL and MLB could use replay to get every call right but they would have 4 hour games. Reason 2 the use of replay encourages indecisiveness on the part of officials. The last ten years or so I have seen countless plays where a call isn't even made. Never saw anything like that before replay. Some people say "You have to have it so games aren't decided on a bad call!" That leads me to reason 3. The calls that affect the outcome of games many of them are nonreviewable. Calls or noncalls of pass interference, personal fouls, roughing the kicker/passer, holding can affect the winner or loser of a game as much as the reviewable calls. Officials just need to do their job, make quick, decisive calls and keep the game moving.
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10-07-2012 , 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by sweep single
No more replay in NFL.
I'll stop reading right there.
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10-07-2012 , 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by gusmahler
The rule is intended to prevent the defense from intentionally dropping the ball to get the runner in scoring position out instead of the hitter.
That wouldn't make a difference. Say there's a guy on 1st and 2nd, and a short pop fly gets hit.

Infield fly rule: Batter out, still runners on 1st and 2nd

Fielder drops the ball and throws to 3rd: Lead runner out, still runners on 1st and 2nd.

It's more to prevent easy double/triple plays.
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10-07-2012 , 08:03 PM
The infield fly rule is a good example of a clever, elegant solution to a tricky angleshooting problem. No idea why anyone would want to change it or have a problem with it.
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10-08-2012 , 12:45 AM
If you are a QB and a linebacker is sprinting right toward your birthmarked face and you just chuck it 20 yards upfield into 3 defenders and they intercept it and run it in for six, but that linebacker hit you in the chest after you threw the ball - it should not be a roughing the passer automatic first down.

Not sure what it should be, maybe the team who intercepted it retains possession but the TD is wiped away and they get the ball at the spot of the interception or that spot less 15 yards or something but this ****ing Saints game was a 14 point swing against the Chargers on a bull**** call. Brees knew he was about to get sacked and just deeeeerped the ball into triple coverage (with no Saint anywhere near it) and somehow it all works out because he got hit in the chest.
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10-08-2012 , 12:48 AM
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Originally Posted by SirRawrsALot
I'll stop reading right there.
i stopped reading right there too. but what they should obviously do is have replays done by a ref in the booth rather than a ref on the field. like over half the time that a call is going to overturned its obvious enough that the decision could be made by the guy in the booth in less time than it even takes for the ref on the field to walk over to the "hood" and begin to take a look. really the only explanation for the way they currently do it is more commercials.
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10-08-2012 , 12:51 AM
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The infield fly rule is a good example of a clever, elegant solution to a tricky angleshooting problem. No idea why anyone would want to change it or have a problem with it.
yep
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10-08-2012 , 12:54 AM
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Originally Posted by A-Rod's Cousin
If you are a QB and a linebacker is sprinting right toward your birthmarked face and you just chuck it 20 yards upfield into 3 defenders and they intercept it and run it in for six, but that linebacker hit you in the chest after you threw the ball - it should not be a roughing the passer automatic first down.

Not sure what it should be, maybe the team who intercepted it retains possession but the TD is wiped away and they get the ball at the spot of the interception or that spot less 15 yards or something but this ****ing Saints game was a 14 point swing against the Chargers on a bull**** call. Brees knew he was about to get sacked and just deeeeerped the ball into triple coverage (with no Saint anywhere near it) and somehow it all works out because he got hit in the chest.
something does need to be done about the flags. i feel like part of the problem is that the league is basically in a transition period in which they are changing the rules to make the game less violent and the guys that have been playing it in a violent manner for their entire lives really can't be expected to just change what they instinctively feel is the right way to play. maybe when the older guys have retired and we are only left with guys who have played with the new rules in place their whole careers we will see less of these ridic flags along with a much softer game in general.
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10-08-2012 , 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by vhawk01
The infield fly rule is a good example of a clever, elegant solution to a tricky angleshooting problem. No idea why anyone would want to change it or have a problem with it.
Why reward the angle shooter/fielder by calling the batter out. Angle shooter dropped the ball intentionally or made an error. The angle shooter/ fielder should be penalized not rewarded especially if he makes an unforced error.

Give the batter and every base-runner 1 base.
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10-08-2012 , 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by NLSoldier
i stopped reading right there too. but what they should obviously do is have replays done by a ref in the booth rather than a ref on the field. like over half the time that a call is going to overturned its obvious enough that the decision could be made by the guy in the booth in less time than it even takes for the ref on the field to walk over to the "hood" and begin to take a look. really the only explanation for the way they currently do it is more commercials.
This is certainly true.

Why not have a guy who pages the ref "Hey, we need to look at this" actually look at it. Basically saying, "Hold up, I need to look at this a bit closer".
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10-08-2012 , 01:21 AM
NFL: The defense should be allowed to try to tackle the quarterback once again.
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10-08-2012 , 02:05 AM
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Originally Posted by A-Rod's Cousin
If you are a QB and a linebacker is sprinting right toward your birthmarked face and you just chuck it 20 yards upfield into 3 defenders and they intercept it and run it in for six, but that linebacker hit you in the chest after you threw the ball - it should not be a roughing the passer automatic first down.

Not sure what it should be, maybe the team who intercepted it retains possession but the TD is wiped away and they get the ball at the spot of the interception or that spot less 15 yards or something but this ****ing Saints game was a 14 point swing against the Chargers on a bull**** call. Brees knew he was about to get sacked and just deeeeerped the ball into triple coverage (with no Saint anywhere near it) and somehow it all works out because he got hit in the chest.
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When a QB throws an INT and then gets bailed out with a roughing the passer penalty. It should back up the other team on field position 15 yards.... not completely wipe out the INT and give them an automatic 1st down.
Pretty upset nothing has been done about this. The ball is gone before the hit ever gets made....
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10-08-2012 , 02:23 AM
Didn't in the olden days, roughing the passer was a super rare call, and so the auto first down kinda made sense? It's like they loosened the roughing the passer criteria but kept the old way-too-harsh penalty that comes with it.

Some middle ground should really be considered. I'm pretty sure fans of both teams would agree that it's not an accurate portrayal of who the better team is when a guy hopelessly tosses a ball toward 3 defenders because he knows he's about to get sacked, then gets this huge bonus for taking a helmet to the chest.
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10-08-2012 , 02:29 AM
It's one of the biggest bailout penalties in the game right now. Something needs to be done because it impacts games, as we saw tonight! It turned a 3 score game into a 3 point game..
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10-08-2012 , 03:17 AM
It's been mentioned earlier in this thread: just tack the penalty on at the end of the play. If it results in an interception then keep the interception, move the new offense back 10 yards or 15 yards or whatever.
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10-08-2012 , 03:24 AM
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Originally Posted by weirdchess1
It's been mentioned earlier in this thread: just tack the penalty on at the end of the play. If it results in an interception then keep the interception, move the new offense back 10 yards or 15 yards or whatever.
theres of course a lot of stuff (like this) that they could do that would probably be more "fair" but I think the penalty is as stiff as it is because the league wants it to be that harsh to most discourage the D from making these hits that could injure their valuable QBs. it kinda sucks but I don't see them ever moving back in the opposite direction on any rules that potentially affect player and especially QB safety.
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