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Pistons in 4
8 14.55%
Pistons in 5
13 23.64%
Pistons in 6
19 34.55%
Pistons in 7
1 1.82%
Sixers in 4
3 5.45%
Sixers in 5
2 3.64%
Sixers in 6
4 7.27%
Sixers in 7
5 9.09%

04-25-2008 , 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by LearnedfromTV
In general, people are way too hyperbolic about sports. The realistic view is: the Pistons have been in or close to the top 5 in the NBA each of the last six years. They were good enough to win the title each of those years, with a better chance some years than others. Only the Spurs can fairly be said to be better overall over that span, but it also could be argued that the Pistons never had the best team in the league during that span, including the year they won. It would be reasonable for them to have no titles or to have three. They happen to have one. They are a legitimate title contender this year, and would be in the mix with the better half of the conference were they in the West. They play badly too often in the playoffs, which has cost them directly and indirectly in late May and June; they've taken games off in the Conference Finals, and they've been less rested than they could have been because of series like this one. That said, winning 13 of 17 playoff series over five years is impressive whatever conference you are in and whether you win more in 7 than 4. Even if they come back and win this, beat Orlando, somehow beat Boston and make the Finals, they're already setting the tone for losing the main advantage they should have being in the East; having an easier first two rounds than whoever comes out of the West.

Never seen you post here before. This is a solid post +1 good job
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04-25-2008 , 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by NajdorfDefense
Nah, that Mavs team was way, way better than this Pistons team. >12 mins without a single FG? It's not like the Sixers play lockdown defense.

And this Sixer team probably a bit better than last year's GSW team after they got rid of Korver and went uptemp. There's a reason their record had a huge upswing. Last year's GSW wasn't a 48-50 win team like this year's either.
No.............
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04-25-2008 , 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by LearnedfromTV
In general, people are way too hyperbolic about sports. The realistic view is: the Pistons have been in or close to the top 5 in the NBA each of the last six years. They were good enough to win the title each of those years, with a better chance some years than others. Only the Spurs can fairly be said to be better overall over that span, but it also could be argued that the Pistons never had the best team in the league during that span, including the year they won. It would be reasonable for them to have no titles or to have three. They happen to have one. They are a legitimate title contender this year, and would be in the mix with the better half of the conference were they in the West. They play badly too often in the playoffs, which has cost them directly and indirectly in late May and June; they've taken games off in the Conference Finals, and they've been less rested than they could have been because of series like this one. That said, winning 13 of 17 playoff series over five years is impressive whatever conference you are in and whether you win more in 7 than 4. Even if they come back and win this, beat Orlando, somehow beat Boston and make the Finals, they're already setting the tone for losing the main advantage they should have being in the East; having an easier first two rounds than whoever comes out of the West.
Agree with all of your sentiments. Nice to see a reasoned post like this here. Just had to argue one point as a Mavs homer...

I think it can for sure be fairly argued the Mavs have been better over this span, and I really think it's probably the Mavs by a small, but decisive margin. I'm too lazy to look up any specific numbers to back up my point, though.
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04-26-2008 , 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Karl Malone
Me.
amazing.
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04-26-2008 , 01:52 AM
yeah, i had "maybe the Mavs" in there at first and took it out, mainly because of the difference between 2 finals and 1 title vs one finals and no titles. But the conference strength mitigates that some and the Mavs might have more wins over that time (?).

So you are right at least that you can definitely make the case. Can't put the Pistons outside the top 3 through.

Another interesting question, yet to be resolved, is whether #1 is Lakers or Spurs over the entire decade. Obviously the Pistons or the Mavs could get in that discussion by winning the rest of the titles in the decade.

Yeah, I don't post here much but playoff basketball is my time of year. Watching games every night and playing tons of poker, kinda hard not to wander over here.
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04-26-2008 , 01:57 AM
How can you find any time to play poker during the playoffs? Especially being a donkament player? I've watched every minute of every playoff game so far and the live donkament I'm playing on Sunday will be my first poker since the playoffs started. I guess your time management skills must be way better than mine.
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04-26-2008 , 02:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Billy Bibbit
How can you find any time to play poker during the playoffs? Especially being a donkament player? I've watched every minute of every playoff game so far and the live donkament I'm playing on Sunday will be my first poker since the playoffs started. I guess your time management skills must be way better than mine.
hah i'm not really a donkament player any more except Sundays when I lose at them. Believe it or not I decided to go for sn elite like three weeks ago. I've played 80k hands of plo since. Not on pace yet, but i'm getting there. Sometimes I play during games I don't care as much about, but mostly I get sessions in during the day.
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04-26-2008 , 02:31 AM
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Originally Posted by LearnedfromTV
One thing I'll say about this is that, even though they are still a very good defensive team, the Pistons still get too much credit for being the blue-collar, hard-working, lockdown, new Bad Boys team they were when they won four years ago. They had a different kind of chip on their shoulder that year and a different mentality with Ben at his best as the anchor; that team did not and would not have done this take a game off crap. There's really no excuse for people scoring easy baskets versus their defensive talent (Prince and Wallace in particular are very talented defenders).

Often Maxiell reminds me more of that team's attitude than any of the starters.

Ah Malone that's right, wasn't questioning it, I just didn't remember.
good point. most of them have their long term contracts, have the one 'ship' and have basically become fat lazy cats.

and lol @ sheed at halftime. he was paying absolutely no attention to flip saunders. i've about had it with his ****. sure he's talented as hell, but that means nothing when he is a distraction to his own team.
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04-26-2008 , 09:16 AM
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I wonder how they would be perceived today if they hadn't won that one title four years ago against a hobbled and soon to be dismantled Lakers team.
I wonder how they'd be remembered today if they hadn't lost game 5 by one point and went on to lose in 7 games to the Spurs in the Finals.
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04-26-2008 , 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by NajdorfDefense

And this Sixer team probably a bit better than last year's GSW team after they got rid of Korver and went uptemp. There's a reason their record had a huge upswing. Last year's GSW wasn't a 48-50 win team like this year's either.

totally disagree with this. Last years team had JRich, although I'll admit that Ellis has improved.
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04-26-2008 , 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Assani Fisher
I wonder how they'd be remembered today if they hadn't lost game 5 by one point and went on to lose in 7 games to the Spurs in the Finals.
god this is the best post you've ever made and im not even sure you know why
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04-26-2008 , 10:12 PM
Dyess broke his nose. Probably out for game 4.
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04-27-2008 , 05:19 AM
Are the sixers the favorite to win this right now? No, right? Still pistons in 6/7? I just don't know.
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04-27-2008 , 12:18 PM
bobbo,

detroit is a 5.5 point favorite on the road today in game 4.

still have to consider them the favorites.
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04-27-2008 , 12:21 PM
Pistons are -275 for the series right now.
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04-27-2008 , 07:16 PM
man how can you not cheer for these 76ers ? So fun
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04-27-2008 , 07:26 PM
Because I love Jason Maxiel in a very real way.
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04-27-2008 , 07:43 PM
Sixers already up 8, so awesome
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04-27-2008 , 07:50 PM
If the Pistons lose the series the coach is insta-fired right ?
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04-27-2008 , 07:52 PM
This sixer team is fun to watch. The remind me of Denver, back when they were good.
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04-27-2008 , 07:54 PM
God I love this team.
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04-27-2008 , 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Spellmen
God I love this team.
QFT. Philly is 100% this years "spunky young team that shows well in the playoffs but disappoints next year when they can't sustain this for 82 games"
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04-27-2008 , 08:06 PM
BTW, is it me or does Igoudala have questionable hands at times?
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04-27-2008 , 08:07 PM
lolo sheed.
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04-27-2008 , 08:12 PM
if Philly were to pull this off, how would this rank amongst greatest upsets of all-time? Way bigger than something like Dallas-GS right?
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