that happens at every school and it's pretty much a joke when these programs are brought up

I guess PSU gets congrats for making sure its players somehow pass the watered down program more often

I can only imagine how brutal away games are going to be for Penn State fans.

The various chants, signs, and **** thrown at them should give them a clear idea on what kind of people they are.

Of course, PSU fans will play the victim and talk about how horrible it was that they were victimized. I mean all they are doing is supporting an institution that covered up child abuse! Can you imagine them going into OSU, Michigan, or Pitt? Ick.

I r confused?


How, exactly, does offering a kid a scholarship if he transfers away from a scandal ridden program that can't go to bowl games mean that anyone involved is putting "football first" or perpetuating an environment in which crimes get covered up to help football programs?


What if the kid transfers to a school with better academics, a worse football program (Vandy, Northwestern, et al) and no hint of a scandal?
Does that mean he's putting "football first"?

LOL

Off the deep end posters ITT

Usually when you add emphasis you let everyone know where and how you did it. . .

Expert trolling bdidd. You have turned what was a really good thread into an AIDS bucket.

I know I wouldn't want to associate with people spending their money supporting an organization that covered up child rape.

Here, I'll help you. Offering a kid a scholarship is fine, or maybe ringing up on the phone machine to see if he's happy with his collegiate football service. Sitting in the Penn State practice parking lot waiting for players to arrive to convince them to leave Penn State? That is absolutely putting football over everything else.

Yes, I'm sure that that's what's going on - top schools are sending emissaries to see if they can loose any of this Penn State academic talent. They're saying 'Hey, we've got theoretical physics openings - play on the football team if you want, but it's no biggie if you don't'. Or maybe the Penn State football team have collectively realized that football is inherently a meaningless contest whereby ridiculous rewards are conferred on the participants and wish to transfer to top philosophy programs - well, I'm sure U Chicago has got a guy in the parking lot for those players.

I'd also point out that it's at worst summer session that the coaches are interfering with, if the players are even taking classes. I'm not sure their recruiting undermines academics. . .

Actually quality academic schools with mediocre to great football programs that could benefit from an on-paper "smart" football player abound: Cal, Virginia, UCLA, UDub, Wisconsin, USC, UT, Michigan, Stanford all come to mind as clearly better schools that could use a backup or player.

Then we could probably list 50 football programs that are "worse" than PSU was, but where a former PSU player would start and excel and get a better education. Like every football playing Ivy, every good state university, about 30 private non-Ivies that play football. . .

EDIT: **** dude, Notre Dame, UNC, Northwestern, Duke, Vandy, Wake Forest, Boston College and Miami all rank higher in US News as well.

EDIT2: UDub wrong.

Yes, that's how terrible your program is: Lane Kiffin IS the knight in shining armor.

Yes, I am aware that plenty of intelligent college football players exist and benefit from their educations - people who are legitimately 'student-athletes'. I am also aware that there are good colleges that don't sacrifice academic standards for the sake of the football team. I am also aware that I seriously doubt that these are the teams out heavily recruiting Penn Staters right now, and even if they were, it wouldn't be because a guy is smart, it'd be because the guy helps the football team. Let's please not pretend that this system works any way other than it does.

I'm not. I'm openly stating that what is happening right now doesn't appear to in any way undermine student-athletics whether it is done with the goal of supporting student-athletics or not.

Who cares if bloodthirsty coaches are recruiting these kids? They'll be students wherever they go, too.

Wait, are people really MAD that other coaches are at PSU trying to get athletes to commit.

I guess I'm not following you. It seems like these coaches have a really easy sell that isn't repugnant to student-athletics: "look, you can stay here and get a good education and play ****ty football in a weird and disgraced community, or you can leave here and still get a good education and play NOT ****ty football, with the added bonus that no one on our staff, so far as we know, is raping anyone's kids."

Apparently this perturbs people.

*facepalm*

I'm not mad. I am just having a few lols at the expense of the NCAA and college football/basketball fans justifying how it works.

They're at high schools all over the country too, for shame

Why are you facepalming? Explain to me what I'm missing. Players are being recruited to transfer from one university to another. This is legal. This means players are considering their football prospects when doing so.

So what?

Is your point really just that the NCAA said football would never be elevated above moral issues, and now it's the primary factor in the transfer decision? Because if so, that's not really the same sort of elevation, first of all, and second who cares.

Clark, I've never argued with myself. Show your work.

I mean we all know the NCAA is a joke, but if I'm reading your side right, people are saying it's blatantly putting athletics above academics. I really don't see how that's the case though. Coaches are paid to run athletic programs so being there, given the circumstances, their behavior seems pretty understandable. More over, during the summer seems like the optimal time for coaches to recruit athletes since they aren't disrupting academics much if at all.

Also just gonna point out again that it's the summer. Coaches aren't sitting outside lecture halls here. . .

Like I said, just having a few lols at the NCAA and college sports. Morality stops where we say it does. You can leave when we say you can leave, otherwise you have to sit out a year. Again, this is how the system works, I'm not begrudging players or coaches from how they're acting within that system.

Do you guys also think it's morally horrible that coaches still recruit players after they have committed to another school while they are in high school? If no, why not?

Of course players are being offered scholarships because they'd help out the football program, and I don't think anyone is arguing otherwise.


I'm saying that offering a kid a chance to transfer doesn't necessarily say that football is more important than anything else. If the kid in question had been arrested for something horrific, then yes it would say that. But if he's a normal kid with no big problems, then it just says that football matters; not that football matters more than anything else.


And if the kid decides to transfer, it also doesn't mean football matters more than anything else. Maybe he doesn't want to go to a school that glorifies rape enablers. Maybe he realizes he'll never go pro and he wants a better education eslewhere. Maybe he just knows that Penn St football is going to be a really weird place for the next few years and he doesn't want to be part of it.