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07-23-2012 , 01:16 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Paterno

Good to see someone was on the ball and already vacated his wins
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07-23-2012 , 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Karak
This is definitely worse than the death penalty.
It's not.
Having football >>>>> not having it.

There are numerous teams who go 4 years without bowl games and tens of thousands still show up and enjoy it.
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07-23-2012 , 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Bdidd
Karak's jimmies still rustling
another hour, another 4 star decommit
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07-23-2012 , 01:17 PM
alright alright alright im probably being a little too mean
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07-23-2012 , 01:17 PM
Per the guy who was on the Solid Verbal last week, PSU football makes about 50m a year on average. (no idea how that's figured or if it includes donations)

They also have a roughly 2 billion dollar endowment, although some of that is apparently specifically earmarked for future projects, so it's less than that.

Either way- the 60M is not insignificant, but also not the worst part of this for PSU by far.

It might actually be the one thing that does something to deter other schools though. Sure, PSU can fade it, but it would crush a school like WSU.
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07-23-2012 , 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by MyTurn2Raise
It's not.
Having football >>>>> not having it.

There are numerous teams who go 4 years without bowl games and tens of thousands still show up and enjoy it.
You do realize they'd have football again in a year or two right?
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07-23-2012 , 01:18 PM
@roddywhiteTV
Do y'all think the NCAA will really give all that money to charities

‏@roddywhiteTV
My opinion is the NCAA acting like the nfl commissioner vacating wins was stupid. I knew they would take money cause they money hungry.
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07-23-2012 , 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by drugsarebad
Nice to come here and read some support for sanctions. I'm from Pennsylvania, didn't go to PSU, but I know a lot of people who did and more from the general State College area who might as well have gone there. One quick look on Facebook and I saw about 30 unquestionably biased opinions generally communicating the message "THINK ABOUT THE CHILDRENZ", where the children being referenced are the current Penn State students, not the children who were abused. It's actually pretty hilarious how strong people's opinions are, either way. On a morning where 93 people were killed in Iraq, apparently my entire State was more focused on whether JoePa could still be called the most winningest coach in NCAA history. This clearly got more attention around here then even the ****ing verdict being handed down.

I think if I had to choose a side, I support the sanctions. As far as making a change in the decision-making process of all of the bad actors involved in this scandal, they covered all bases. If Paterno acted unethically to avoid a stain on his personal reputation and stellar coaching record, it's now been gutted. If Paterno or the top PSU officials acted to save the football program from dealing with some controversy and reputation damage, they now have more of that then they can handle, and the program won't be recovering any time soon. If the top PSU officials acted in the interest of money, they just got slammed with what will probably be a net 9 figure loss factoring in the fine, revenue sharing, and other opportunity costs. All of these will weigh in the minds of future decision makers in similar situations. This won't only apply to child molesters - it's a frightening end for anybody handling an in house scandal.

A lot of my friends were complaining that the sanctions will bleed over into affecting current students and tuition rates. This is true, but somewhat necessary if you really want to set the precedents I mentioned above. If students can no longer afford PSU and the school becomes less competitive, it is an unfortunate consequence for innocent current students, but a consequence that will influence future decision makers nonetheless. If we suddenly realized that Ford Motors was manufacturing cars that gave every driver cancer, we wouldn't absolve them of monetary loss to keep their car prices low. In the end, the anger for those consequences and results should be directed at the school, not the NCAA or the media.
Great post. It's amazing how many people (through their emotional blinders) completely miss the point of punishment in these cases - to make future decision makers think twice about covering something up and thus enabling a horrible predator to continue victimizing people. If it punishes kids who weren't involved - that's unfortunate but necessary.
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07-23-2012 , 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Karak
ORBIT NUKE PAYLOAD ARMED


EN ROUTE


PAYLOAD LAUNCHED


TARGET ACQUIRED


WE HAVE IMPACT, SIR
About time you got here lol
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07-23-2012 , 01:21 PM
Man Roddy White just can't stop bringing the stupid. Dude needs to be done with twitter.
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07-23-2012 , 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by schu_22
As far as football is concerned, I don't really have much of an opinion other than that PSU, being our division crossover rival, will kill our SOS. But meh, it's insignificant really.
silly crossover rivalry games... should have just put Michigan and tOSU in the same division and not have any crossovers. Switching Ohio State and Nebraska would've worked. Perhaps Iowa for Illinois as well if the one side needs some more strength.

Alright, I see where Michigan fans could be upset about competitive balance due to crossovers. Neb gets PSU every year. MSU gets Indiana every year. Michigan gets tOSU.... oh wow... that's not well done. All because some of the powers wanted to preserve the chance of Michigan and tOSU playing in the title game on occasion.
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07-23-2012 , 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by MyTurn2Raise
It's not.
Having football >>>>> not having it.

There are numerous teams who go 4 years without bowl games and tens of thousands still show up and enjoy it.
You're not thinking long term enough.

PSU wont just be going 4 years without bowl games.

Multiple years of 3 wins at best. Years where they'll be lucky to win conference games at all. That's going to keep the program crushed for years. I don't think anybody can pretend how they'll be able to pull of it it once they're back to full scholarship levels, maybe their resources mean they can- but after 5 years of being a national punching bag, it likely won't be easy.

And keep in mind, the best thing PSU had going for it was its image as PSU. That's way gone now. Without all the tradition and Paterno and what not- can they ever get back to close to the OSU/Mich level?
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07-23-2012 , 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
You do realize they'd have football again in a year or two right?
yep
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07-23-2012 , 01:24 PM
roddy is the ****ing gift that keeps on giving.
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07-23-2012 , 01:25 PM
There is no stipulation that the death penalty had to be the only punishment.


This punishment is worse than a 1 year death penalty with no subsequent sanctions, but of course not worse than the death penalty with subsequent bowl ban/scholarship limits.
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07-23-2012 , 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by loosekanen
furthermore, great joy in Bloomington today as now Indiana hasn't finished alone in dead last in the B1G for 17 seasons now!
confirmed
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07-23-2012 , 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Dids
You're not thinking long term enough.

PSU wont just be going 4 years without bowl games.

Multiple years of 3 wins at best. Years where they'll be lucky to win conference games at all. That's going to keep the program crushed for years. I don't think anybody can pretend how they'll be able to pull of it it once they're back to full scholarship levels, maybe their resources mean they can- but after 5 years of being a national punching bag, it likely won't be easy.

And keep in mind, the best thing PSU had going for it was its image as PSU. That's way gone now. Without all the tradition and Paterno and what not- can they ever get back to close to the OSU/Mich level?
it will be easy

they still have their booster network in place
they are still in a jackpot of natural talent
they still are THE event in the central PA in the area

they'll be ahead of Indiana, Purdue, and Illinois in their division right away... couple of mediocre bowl years result as they modify their non-conf to be weak as possible and the momentum is ready to go

This isn't like SMU. SMU self added another year and disassociated all boosters. This isn't like Illinois in the late 60s were the conference forced a large portion of boosters away. This isn't the U as it's a 60k student state school in a sports happy area.
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07-23-2012 , 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Great post. It's amazing how many people (through their emotional blinders) completely miss the point of punishment in these cases - to make future decision makers think twice about covering something up and thus enabling a horrible predator to continue victimizing people. If it punishes kids who weren't involved - that's unfortunate but necessary.
Yeah, pretty much this. I put together a pretty lol compilation of my friends facebook statuses, if I had more free time I'd troll them all myself but oh well.
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07-23-2012 , 01:28 PM
Uh, they haven't been that good. If the structural advantages were as good as you were implying they wouldn't be like the 4th best team in the big ten over the past 15 years.
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07-23-2012 , 01:28 PM
@robdelaney: Paterno supporters: All is not lost; they didn’t take away his Heroism in the Greed-Motivated Harboring of a Serial Child Rapist Award.
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07-23-2012 , 01:29 PM
I also think that if the thought process here is that PSU football became too powerful and overtook the leadership of the university and they need to get some perspective- having them just be terrible for a number of years is a better way to de-emphasize the importance of the program.

Otherwise you kill it, and then they get to be reborn all phoenix style to a giant amount of fanfare and attention and football's just as big as always.

This way, by the time they're off probation, hopefully their diminished significance has some lasting impact.
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07-23-2012 , 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by UFO1947
About time you got here lol
im pretty sick irl (literally LITERALLY the worst time i could ever possibly be sick in the last several years), but i did crawl out of bed to see what happened here.
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07-23-2012 , 01:31 PM
@_SaidByNoOne_: I think I'll apply to Penn State
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07-23-2012 , 01:31 PM
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they still have their booster network in place
they are still in a jackpot of natural talent
they still are THE event in the central PA in the area
And none of these may be true (or true to the same extent) by the time it's all over.

And as Riverman points out- it's not like they're crushing it right now with those advantages.
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07-23-2012 , 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Riverman
Uh, they haven't been that good. If the structural advantages were as good as you were implying they wouldn't be like the 4th best team in the big ten over the past 15 years.
couldn't be they held onto an old man coach who wasn't willing to play the recruiting game the modern way, could it? Or, open up the offense at all?

I mean, in the whole mess, what was their new HC's recruiting class ranked this past February? Coming off a poor year, with a boring offense, and a pederast scandal... they pwned. Yeah, I'm pretty confident I'm not overselling the structural advantages.
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