Are you seriously trying to link "gay friendly" to having "pedo sympathies?" cause that's just ****ed up.

I got too much Bama in me.

lol lawhorn

that poast needed a minor edit iyam

in b4 jim lawhoun cites the DSM's definition of pedophilia and extends his comparison 10-fold

yep

So if you had to guess how deep did or does this cover up go? Does it extend into the town as well? Every day normal folk? How many people actually knew or got a whiff of what was going on and kept hush?

Look, if you had every shot, or every opportunity
To stop everything you ever feared in one moment
Would you stop it or just let it slip?
Yo

His palms are sweaty, knees weak, arms are heavy
There's vomit on his sweater already, mom's spaghetti
He's nervous, but on the surface he looks calm and ready to drop bombs,
but he keeps on forgetting how to dial the cops,
the slappin' skin goes so loud
He opens his mouth, but the words won't come out
He's choking how, Jerry's joking now
The clock's run out, time's up over, bloah!
Snap back to reality, Oh there goes gravity
Oh, there's McQueary, he choked
He's so mad, but he won't give up that
Easy, no
He won't have it, he knows that boy's back's gettin' poked
It don't matter, he's dope
He knows that, but he's broke
He's so stagnant he knows
When he goes back to his mobile home, that's when it's
Back to the phone again, yo
This whole rhapsody
He better go capture this rapist and hope he don't rape again

You cannot lose yourself in the cultists, the moment
Call the cops, you better never let Jerry rape.
You get one shot a day, do not miss your chance to blow
This opportunity comes once every minute yo
(You better)

The boy's soul's escaping, through this hole that is gaping
This anus is Jer's for the taking
He's raping, as we move toward a new college shower
A normal life is boring, but gettin' raped is close to post mortem
It only grows harder, only grows hotter
He blows us all over these boys is all on him
Coast to coast bowls, he's known as the globetrotter
Lonely boys, God only knows
He's grown farther from home, he's no father
He rapes his son and barely knows his own daughter
But hold your nose 'cause here goes the cold water
Joe Pa don't want him no more, he's cold product
They moved on to the next coachin' schmoe
His dick rose and raped anotha'
So the soap opera is told and unfolds
I suppose it's old partner but the rape goes on

No more games, Mike'll change what you call rape
Tear this mother****ing roof off like 2 dogs caged
He was playing in the beginning, the mood all changed
He's been chewed up and spit out and put on the stand
But he kept rhyming and stepped right into the next cypher
Best believe somebody's paying the pied piper
All the pain inside amplified by the fact
That he can't abide with rape 9 to 5
And he can't provide the right type of lies for the grand jury
Cause man, these goddamn admins gonna need lawyers
And it's no movie, there's no Mekhi Phifer, this is his life
And these times are so hard, and it's getting even harder
Trying to cover and lie for Jer, plus
Teeter totter caught up between being a liar and a testifier
Boy's mama drama's screaming on and
Too much for him to wanna
Stay in one spot, another day of dishonesty
Has gotten him to the point, he's like a snail
He's got to formulate a plot or end up in jail or shot
Testifying is the only mother****ing option, lying's not
Jer, he loves you, but this raping's got to go
He cannot cover for Jerry's lot
So here he goes it's his shot.
Lips fail him not, this may be the last opportunity that he got

You can do anything you set your mind to, man

Supposedly there were rumors but people basically went

"can't be true."
"JoePa would have done something about it."
"no way."

Does the death penalty deter murderers?

Only thing that stricter punishments will do is make people try harder to develop an airtight coverup. If anything, stricter punishments will drive people who want to cover something up to take more drastic measures to accomplish their goal. If somebody wants to cover something up, it's going to get done no matter what punishment comes up.

There are too many zealots in high places for Penn State to feel the monetary loss. Despite the scandal, Penn State had its 2nd best fundraising year in 2012 up to this point. If anything, the scandal has brought out more support for them. I wouldn't be surprised to see some of the Kool-Aid drinkers jack up their donations when they hear about their alma mater's money woes.

The biggest loss will be in the "face" department. This will never blow over in the minds of the people. I'm sure it will cycle out of the media at some point. But people have long memories when it comes to matters like these. Penn State will be forever known as Pedo State in my mind.

Yes. What we have seen is how misguided our priorities are and how damaging a personality cult can become. It's easy for even the most level-headed people to get swept up into Joe's former personality cult because it was so pervasive at the university. You couldn't walk around for 5 minutes without having some reminder of his presence or somebody talking about football. You go to the library and it's called Paterno Library. You eat ice cream and Peachy Paterno is at the top of the menu. You see the statue of Joe near Beaver Stadium. He was everywhere.

I hope that us alumni have learned our lesson. I also hope that other universities take note on what blind faith can lead to. Perhaps our scandal will serve as a cautionary tale for other universities to take note on what happens when priorities get twisted for the sake of reputation and prestige.

I can speak for the entire alumni base, but I can say good riddance if it does happen. To be honest, I am ashamed to even associate myself with the university at the moment. I can only do so here because nobody is here to lambast me or look down upon me for it.

lolpaterno...so basically the guy knew the hammer was gonna drop and his first thought was to scramble to get more money? that's the guy the cultists are supporting? yeesh.

lawguy...WTF. supporting gay rights = supporting pedophiles? jesus.

Not trying to be snarky here, but if you are going to go down the whole Bear Bryant was a real football God road, what star players did Bryant kick off the team when they got out of line? Just sayin'. Who knows how Bear Bryant or any other coach for that matter would have handled something like Sandusky? Nine months ago, pretty much everyone in the country thought they knew how Joe Paterno would have handled something like that.

Holding Bear Bryant up as a moral beacon regarding race relations solely because he wanted to win and not because having African-American players on the team was the right thing to do seems like an overly friendly way of interpreting history, IMO.

Either that or he knew he was dying. I often wonder when the cancer was really diagnosed. Paterno had some major health setbacks in recent years. It was amazing how much the guy deteriorated just in the last 2-3 years of his life.

Nothing was ever released publicly, but I think it is at least plausible that Paterno suffered a mild stroke at some point within the last 2-3 years. It was kinda shocking to see his press conferences and hear him reference games from 30 years ago or stammer to try and come up with the names of current players.

That doesn't excuse what happened when he was still lucid in 2001, but even without any kind of scandal, I don't think there would have been any way in the world that Paterno could have come back in 2012. It was shocking that he even came back in 2011.

Nah. He was set to retire after the season anyway. They began negotiating his retirement package in January 2011, long before the scandal busted open.

Uh, no. That's exactly what happened.

He had to testify before the grand jury in January. He knew **** was hitting the fan, so he suddenly felt the need to retire and negotiate this buyout.

iirc the contract thing wasnt negotiated until AFTER the grand jury subpoenas went out. that indicates they started scrambling once they saw the writing on the wall.

Well, yeah, before it became hugely public. From that NY Times article, though, it was after there was grand jury testimony and a new investigation opening up. Seems pretty obvious JoePa was reading between the lines there.

Holliday likes this. Possibly largely due to knowing the song.

100% of the time when it is actually carried out.

The death penalty in the criminal system and the death penalty as viewed by the NCAA share the same name.

That is the only similarity they have. An analysis of the criminal death penalty in order to determine NCAA death penalty effectiveness is like comparing how a "prevent" defense in the NFL works in evaluation of a "prevent" doubles OF alignment in baseball.

It may very well be that he decided to renegotiate the contract based on knowledge that the **** was going to hit the fan. My point was that 2011 pretty much had to be his last year, scandal or no scandal. Even before there was any of hint of a scandal, I would have bet money that 2010 would have been it for him because of how badly he deteriorated cognitively the last 2-3 years of his life.

Prior to the scandal, his football related press conferences made me feel sad for him bcause he clearly should have retired even before the 2011 season. After Paterno got to 400 wins, I was sure that his family would convince him to retire after the 2010 season.

It seemed to me that the article was intentionally vague on whether the gj hearing (or notification of such) preceded the conversation about his settlement package, while inferring that it did. I chalked this up to them not really knowing the dates of the latter. Not sure it makes a huge difference, but there you go: one man's take.

This is not unusual in sports.

Rickey Henderson (my favorite baseball player) once struck up a conversation with Jon Olerud when they were both with the Mets. It was about Olerud wearing a helmet playing first base and Rickey was telling him it wasn't that unusual.
Olerud: No, it's just me. I'm the only first baseman in all of baseball who wears a helmet when he plays defense.
Henderson: No, I've seen plenty of guys do it. In fact, when I played in Toronto we had a first baseman who did that.

In an episode of 'Coach' Hayden Fox told his girlfriend he was going to have "23 and 56" run an errand for her. She was like, "Who?" and he was like, "23 and 56...you know, their uniform numbers...I don't know their names (you stupid woman)."

It may not be unusual in sports, but it was prety easy to see that Paterno lost a lot cognitively the last couple years.

Rickey Henderson is also one of a kind LOL

Oh, yeah, he was like an undead mummy out there.