Kiddie porn was not the problem. Kiddie rape and cover-up and allowing the kiddie rapist to go about his life running a charity for disadvantaged children was the problem.

Yes.

9-4 with 85% of the players graduating is I think what people want to protect.

The number 2 or 3 in the class two years before me went to Penn State on a LAX and Football scholarship. Graduated with a full football scholarship and a 3.9 in an engineering major. That is the fantasy that we as PSU alums like to pretend is the reality. It makes the dark years easier.

And I think that is the mythology that Brandon Short is talking about. They want a coach who realizes that winning has to be balanced against scholarship. Even PSU forgot that recently. Look at Short he graduated from Columbia with a MBA. He wants to ensure that others at PSU can do the same.

PSU fans are irrational but we will be better at this game in 5 years when O'Brien leaves.

Understand you have to be somewhat delicate with the players as they are going to support those who recruited them/forged relationships with them for years now. Lie to them and tell them they have a voice. Time for Bradley/little Paterno to be given a one way ticket out of town though.

O'Brien will probably only get 3-4 years of mediocre and canned but thats fine. 100% couldn't hire a guy from the good ole boy network.

That is a 2nd Mile problem which apparently they did not share with their Board of Directors. As I believe the uncontested fact suggest that they told the charity that he was no longer welcome on campus.

The problem was that people had sort of reverse nurnberg syndrome where they reported the event to their superior and thought that was enough. None of them wanted to deal with reality and all hoped someone else would do it.

Denial. Not a river in Africa.

Exactly.

Change Execution Management 101 is that you let people think they have a voice. It is human nature to think a process is more fair if you are involved.

How so? Tell me what I am in denial about.

PSU f'd up. But they did pass the buck.

As someone who loves when senators are caught in rest rooms or Tressel was caught not being as holy as he proclaimed, I understand the fun.

But I also understand where the former plAyers and alumni are coming from.

No. He was no longer welcome to bring 2nd Mile children on campus. He himself was fine and still had an office there.

And I don't think you understand what the phrase, "pass the buck" means.

Raping little boys was not only a 2nd Mile problem. It's a Penn State problem. If it happened on Penn State's campus, it's a Penn State problem. If Paterno knew and did nothing, that's a Penn State problem. If it was carried out by a Penn State employee, that's a Penn State problem. If it was covered up systematically by everyone at Penn State at any level who knew anything, from janiotor to president, that's a Penn State problem. If Penn State thinks they have an honorable program because they have stated commitment to honor and academics despite the people at the top leading the way on these things rape little boys or cover up the rape of little boys, that's a Penn State problem.

Another communication breakdown at PSU, eh? Blackledge should really refrain from talking about anything PSU related for awhile. Kids are kids and football jocks will say stupid things but from a national standpoint its pretty embarrassing when they are on air talking about staying true to PSUs values.

Time to form a new identity and move as far the **** as possible from the standard.

You are right. My definition was incorrect.

Although the definition of holding someone else responsible for your action may be more correct.

Big Red held Paterno responsible.

Paterno held Curley responsible.

Curley held Spanier responsible.

Spanier held I guess the 2nd mile responsible.

They all dropped the ball.

If I am not clear it is a Penn State problem then I'm sorry

I am just trying to clarify where I think the former players are coming from.

This is a huge Penn State problem, a huge society problem.

But it does not negate entirely the Paterno legacy and Penn State as a whole.

I identify myself with Penn State as I competed for the
In a different sport. I don't 100% identify with the football players. And maybe I protest too much as I feel the school is worth defending; Paterno, not as much of a fan as he almost killed me twice with his f'ing Saab.

If our identity is "success with honor" and putting graduating above win/loss then I hope we never find a new identity.

If our identity is a Paterno as coach then I agree.

Had the same experience with Daryl Strawberry. Was JoePa hitting a crack pipe behind the wheel as well?

No just blind and entitled.

Once it was while running on campus, he was not a fan of stopping for people on the sidewalk.

And the other time it was him not being a fan of stopping for a stop sign if there were no cars in the intersection.

I probably care too much about PSU considering the number of times Paterno attempted to kill me. But I think the education I got from them was a good value and I have an irrational hatered of Lehigh and Franklin and Marshall.

He drove over sidewalks?

It negates it all. sorry

He enabled a kiddie rapist

No, ignored people on sidewalks. Like when there is a cut out in the sidewalk into an entrance unto the football building. So he pulled through to the road ignoring people on the sidewalk.

PENN STATE ALLOWED JERRY SANDUSKY TO RAPE LITTLE BOYS. HE PUT HIS 60 YEAR OLD PENIS IN THEIR 10 YEAR OLD BUTTHOLES. AT PENN STATE. AND EVERYONE KNEW. AND THEY LET HIM KEEP DOING IT.

i suppose if for the rest of my life whenever i said my alma mater out loud i got a stare, i'd be pissed in your spot too.

Where did you go to college?

Because we all know football is what determines the value of a college degree.

lol @ people giving someone a stare if they went to PSU

Look man. I love that you love your school. I have nothing against people being hardcore fans of teams/schools their lives are entrenched in.

But seriously. Everyone needs to drop the catch phrases, and stop with the "penn state way" or whatever the ex players are feeding the press right now. Every damn team in the world has some corny ass phrase like "success with honor" and most everyone buys into it, and it doesn't mean anything. My fraternity was a "Powerhouse of Excellence" and all we did was throw parties and get in trouble.

I think the majority of people who pay attention the college sports believe that JoePa ran a marginally less shady program than other major schools. That's pretty ****ing awesome, and I'm genuinely happy for the kids that were able to experience that. But the key word there is marginal, and there's no reason to get carried away because the same things happened at PSU as happen at every other school. Plenty of kids got in trouble, lots of them got covered up, plenty of kids failed out of school, and plenty of kids had complete joke majors with joke classes half probably taught by coaches and got passed because they were football players.

Bottom line for me is, that extra marginal little amount of awesomeness that came from being a PSU football player as opposed to a more shady school like UNC or Miami or Bama or whoever is now completely gone and then some. The little bit of extra respect that JoePa earned because he ran a slightly better program than others is completely gone, and it should be. All of the PSU defenders need to work on a new legacy, with a new program, and strive to become something to be proud of again.

I dunno if I'd give them a stare, but if I were interviewing a PSU alum, I might ask them about the scandal to see if they're a deluded cult member.

Great way to judge critical thinking ability, imo.