i believe his point is that the FIA fine will work much better to discourage cheating.

That's what I figured, I should have said 'okay, I bet a lot that NFL cheaters caught first'

If Chad Johnson pulls out a video camera after scoring a TD on the Pats is it the best celebration evah???

Sort of. First, I assume most of those people are in baseball, since there are way more stats and its an easier discussion to have. In football, it seems to me that "clutch" has to do with playoffs? I could be wrong, I usually just start snoring whenever anyone uses the word. But yeah, if it takes 2-3 quarters to figure them out, guys who have coaches who cheat should be better in Q4 than previously.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EU1O-hGxgg

Not sure if this was posted already, but pats haters should love it.

Goodell is such a [censored] powertripping POS

LOL that's great.

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Yes.

Wow, that was better than I ever could have hoped.

nm.

Holy Christ that's funny. I'm not familar enough with how much was going on and how complete the Pats' info was, but damn this whole thing is sick.

Cody

Yes, heaven forbid he severely punish a team caught cheating in hopes to prevent future cheating. What a douche.

The Pats should also have to forfeit the Jets game. They got caught cheating in it, so the win was tainted.

I don't think union cares about lost first rounders. I believe the NFL players have a guaranteed revenue share. That would means less going to some rookie means more for a veteran.

the forfeit the game concept is idiotic.

1/2 the coaches disagree if one would even be able to use the info in the same game.

I like the fine. I wouldnt mind seeing them forfeit the game:/ cheating aint cool

Given the Pats team and franchise strategy, wouldnt forfeiting the first game of the season be better for them then giving up a 1st Round pick?

Or, you know, a commissioner who isn't going to let anybody get away easy after being caught cheating. He's making an example - if I'll do this to the Patriots, the league's pretty boys, the media darlings, I'll certainly do it to the Cardinals, or Packers, or Dolphins, what have you. And you know what, rightfully so. If you're going to command respect as the head of the entire effing NFL, then you have to be able to follow through. You tell Belichick to stop cheating, and he keeps doing it, then throw whatever you've got at him. Goodell already has tried to make examples of Chris Henry and Pacman. Vick's NFL sentence will follow his legal one. You can't let the Pats think that they can walk all over your word, and you certainly can't give people the impression that you're letting them off easy BECAUSE they're the Patriots, which is exactly what would happen with any kind of light punishment a la a simple fine and a "NOW I mean it, don't do it again.".

That video was great. Solid punishment, I wish it were more though cuz I hate the patriots so much.

how does this compare to salary cap cheating?

like if this is a 8 on a 1-10 scale whats cheating the cap?

I'd say cap cheating is probably a 8 or 8.5. Depends how bad it is.

How do teams cheat salary cap?

Exactly. I'm not a Belichick fan, but this whole thing is way overblown.

well, i wasnt making a point i was just interested in what others thought.

im of the belief that all in all the two infractions cant be THAT far apart though.