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09-13-2007 , 08:50 PM
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Edit: Seems small compared to the 100 MILLION dollar fine McLaren got for spying by obtaining secret technical data on Ferrari...
Want to take bets on whether another F1 or NFL cheating scandal happens first?
I'm not even going to pretend to know a thing about F1, I was just looking at ESPN.com and the fine amount was listed on their front page and I was 'wow, that's a huuuuuge fine for spying.' In other words, I'm going to have decline any wagers.
i believe his point is that the FIA fine will work much better to discourage cheating.
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09-13-2007 , 08:53 PM
That's what I figured, I should have said 'okay, I bet a lot that NFL cheaters caught first'
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09-13-2007 , 09:18 PM
If Chad Johnson pulls out a video camera after scoring a TD on the Pats is it the best celebration evah???
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09-13-2007 , 09:45 PM
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Well the "clutch" argument has always been a ******ed one for any QB. Its just one the media loves.

If this was happening, and causing some quarterbacks to be more effective in the fourth quarter and some to be less effective, then everyone who was arguing that teams perform the same in clutch situations has been wrong.
Sort of. First, I assume most of those people are in baseball, since there are way more stats and its an easier discussion to have. In football, it seems to me that "clutch" has to do with playoffs? I could be wrong, I usually just start snoring whenever anyone uses the word. But yeah, if it takes 2-3 quarters to figure them out, guys who have coaches who cheat should be better in Q4 than previously.
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09-13-2007 , 11:00 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EU1O-hGxgg

Not sure if this was posted already, but pats haters should love it.
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09-13-2007 , 11:07 PM
Goodell is such a [censored] powertripping POS
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09-13-2007 , 11:19 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EU1O-hGxgg

Not sure if this was posted already, but pats haters should love it.
LOL that's great.
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09-13-2007 , 11:24 PM
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09-13-2007 , 11:32 PM
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If Chad Johnson pulls out a video camera after scoring a TD on the Pats is it the best celebration evah???
Yes.
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09-13-2007 , 11:47 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EU1O-hGxgg

Not sure if this was posted already, but pats haters should love it.
Wow, that was better than I ever could have hoped.
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09-13-2007 , 11:53 PM
nm.
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09-14-2007 , 12:11 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EU1O-hGxgg

Not sure if this was posted already, but pats haters should love it.
Wow, that was better than I ever could have hoped.
Holy Christ that's funny. I'm not familar enough with how much was going on and how complete the Pats' info was, but damn this whole thing is sick.

Cody
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09-14-2007 , 12:58 AM
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Goodell is such a [censored] powertripping POS
Yes, heaven forbid he severely punish a team caught cheating in hopes to prevent future cheating. What a douche.
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09-14-2007 , 01:07 AM
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Goodell is such a [censored] pussy
The Pats should also have to forfeit the Jets game. They got caught cheating in it, so the win was tainted.
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09-14-2007 , 01:11 AM
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This might be a stupid question...but can the NFLPA actually do anything (other than complaining?). The players drafted aren't part of the union yet, correct? So I can't really see how they would be capable of stopping the NFL from punishing the Pats with a loss of a 1st round pick if that's what they want to do.

Is there anything in the CBA that specifically says that there has to be 7 rounds of 32 picks? As it stands right now with comp picks more than 224 players get drafted every year anyway.
the issue is that the union doesn't want to lose 1 st round pick, b/c the money is bigger for 1st rounders. I think the union wants more money for all players.
I don't think union cares about lost first rounders. I believe the NFL players have a guaranteed revenue share. That would means less going to some rookie means more for a veteran.
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09-14-2007 , 01:21 AM
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Goodell is such a [censored] pussy
The Pats should also have to forfeit the Jets game. They got caught cheating in it, so the win was tainted.
the forfeit the game concept is idiotic.

1/2 the coaches disagree if one would even be able to use the info in the same game.
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09-14-2007 , 01:32 AM
I like the fine. I wouldnt mind seeing them forfeit the game:/ cheating aint cool
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09-14-2007 , 01:53 AM
Given the Pats team and franchise strategy, wouldnt forfeiting the first game of the season be better for them then giving up a 1st Round pick?
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09-14-2007 , 02:00 AM
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Goodell is such a [censored] powertripping POS
Or, you know, a commissioner who isn't going to let anybody get away easy after being caught cheating. He's making an example - if I'll do this to the Patriots, the league's pretty boys, the media darlings, I'll certainly do it to the Cardinals, or Packers, or Dolphins, what have you. And you know what, rightfully so. If you're going to command respect as the head of the entire effing NFL, then you have to be able to follow through. You tell Belichick to stop cheating, and he keeps doing it, then throw whatever you've got at him. Goodell already has tried to make examples of Chris Henry and Pacman. Vick's NFL sentence will follow his legal one. You can't let the Pats think that they can walk all over your word, and you certainly can't give people the impression that you're letting them off easy BECAUSE they're the Patriots, which is exactly what would happen with any kind of light punishment a la a simple fine and a "NOW I mean it, don't do it again.".
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09-14-2007 , 02:02 AM
That video was great. Solid punishment, I wish it were more though cuz I hate the patriots so much.
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09-14-2007 , 02:12 AM
how does this compare to salary cap cheating?

like if this is a 8 on a 1-10 scale whats cheating the cap?
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09-14-2007 , 02:32 AM
I'd say cap cheating is probably a 8 or 8.5. Depends how bad it is.
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09-14-2007 , 02:38 AM
How do teams cheat salary cap?
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09-14-2007 , 02:43 AM
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how does this compare to salary cap cheating?

like if this is a 8 on a 1-10 scale whats cheating the cap?
Exactly. I'm not a Belichick fan, but this whole thing is way overblown.
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09-14-2007 , 02:52 AM
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how does this compare to salary cap cheating?

like if this is a 8 on a 1-10 scale whats cheating the cap?
Exactly. I'm not a Belichick fan, but this whole thing is way overblown.
well, i wasnt making a point i was just interested in what others thought.

im of the belief that all in all the two infractions cant be THAT far apart though.
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