****ing scumbag loser who should also eat a .40 Hydra Shock. I remember reading his story in one of my classes and getting truly angry that people kept putting up with his **** cause he played football.


edit: what's your point?

I think Jerramy should be banned until that poor girls anus heals.which should be never based on the relative sizes involved.

So what white players is he letting off easy?

Matt Jones for one.

I assume all of you guys expect to get suspended without pay/fired/banned from that profession if you get a DUI, speeding ticket, possession charge, etc.?

Here's hoping this clown has played his last down in the N.F.L.

If you are talking about the coke, the boom hasn't dropped yet, investigation ongoing. Goodell has given all these guys the courtesy of an investigation and has heard their side.

And also this is a drug problem, where there are long standing policies that were collectively bargained

Personal behavior is an area where previous commissioners were lax and Goodell is trying to implement new policies to undo their mistakes.

First, I can't ever remember hearing about an athlete getting in trouble for a run-of-the-mill speeding ticket.

Second, the NFL has a pretty strong interest in reducing bad publicity, and consequently these guys have contracts that prohibit them from doing this ****. If they don't like it they can work elsewhere.

Yep, pretty much, except for the speedong ticket.

The NFL is an entertainment business. It depends on its customers actually liking its players. Now some may still like Pacman because they admire thugs and gangstas, but most of the revenues come in from people who don't. Corporations and most of america regardless of skin color don't like thugs, rapists, or drunk drivers. And parents don't want their kids idolizing drug users, no matter how many drugs the parents have taken.

It's always irksome that some guy caught with blow while hanging out with his buddies is said to automatically have a "drug problem" and to have to get "counseling". No, the difference between him and a large number of his fellow athletes is that he was caught. That is often the only problem (aside from fending off the bitches who want some). Posthumously, Reggie Lewis was said to be an occasional coke user by a friend of his. Does that mean he had a problem? Len Bias probably didn't have one either, but his heart did. Not everyone is Steve Howe or Spencer Haywood.

That said, if it's in the employment contract then yeah, they better either not do it or not get caught.

After the 1st or 2nd charge most likely, definitely way before my 8th or 9th run in with the law.

I truly can't believe that anyone is attempting to imply racism in this case. The guy is a complete POS by all accounts, but he's black and Goodell is white so the attempts to punish him must be a racist. Genius.

This is ridiculous. Its not a privilege to play in the NFL. I mean, it would be a privilege if *I* were playing in the NFL, because I am out of shape and lazy and small. Should fans all consider themselves privileged that they get to watch these guys every week? Owners privileged to get to employ them? This isnt some gift they were given, the right to play in the NFL, they earned it by working hard and being the best in the world. If they screw up, they get fired, fine, whatever, but they arent violating some sacred privilege. Its a job. Its a really good job, and it pays a lot, but its really hard to get. Thats it.

funny you leave out ASSAULT.

If it involved repeated offenses and included violent ones, yes, my job would be at risk. No doubt.

If my job were of a higher profile and my actions brought negative publicity to my employer, I'd expect an even shorter leash.

edit: unless I was a spoiled hollywood celebrity, even of B or C status. Then I'd expect to never suffer any consequences ever.

Don't be modest. It doesn't get much more high profile than managing a call center full of Indians!

+1

Great analogy btw Fly, speeding tickets ftw. And lol at the idea that athletes get less leeway than people in other high profile or high paying jobs.

I'm not into the whole "privilege" thing, but the league does have the right to discipline their players.

can't say that i understand your logic. he may have been unlucky but that doesn't make him less stupid or less fallible

And how many convictions does Pacman have? This incident that caused his most recent trouble had no charges.

If Goodell so desired, he could shape the storyline so that nobody cares about the Bengals' laundry list of misdemeanors or Pacman Jones being an *******. Notice that nobody gives a **** about the rampant steroid use in the NFL, and even when players get caught they serve their suspension and go on like nothing happened.

It's not a "I hate black people" thing, it's a "I'm terrified of 'thugs and gangstas'(who all happen to be black)" thing.


Edit: And yeah, I understand it's a PR thing. But the Cowboys, Jones' employer, seem to be willing to pay him in exchange for football. It's the league that has banned him. The league is stopping two rational actors from engaging in mutually beneficial commerce.

ding.

Yo, I know not everyone who thinks he should be punished is racist. It's the people who get really worked up over these things and jubilantly claim "I'm glad that lowlife thug got what he deserved" that weird me out. Who's the last white player-criminal anyone described as a "thug"?

I don't think there's any white players that have a rap sheet like this:

If there was, I would certainly think of them as a lowlife thug like Pacman.

The PacMan fight in the bathroom is basically the equivalent of Bob Knight grabbing the kid by the arm and scolding him. Its a minor transgression but its the straw that broke the camels back.

Its what happens after you get a zero tolerance warning.

He also hit a guy over the head with a pool stick when he was at WVU. I heard he was an unbelievable ck sucker when he was up there.

So your issue is with the noun people use to describe them? What does it matter if we call Pacman a thug piece of **** and Stevens a rapist piece of ****? Completely pointless imo. I'm glad when lowlife pieces of you know what get got, bottom line. I couldn't give two ****s about what noun people call them.

nath,

no dreads no thug

Employer discipline has nothing to do with convictions or charges. Your employer just has to decide whether it was reasonably likely you did something offensive or against company regs. Pacman has 13 episodes of that already.

Fans don't stop going to games because of steroids. Even in the MLB, where stats are sacred, the whole steroid controversy has occured during a boom in attendance. And again, steroids are part of the drug program that was collectively bargained.

And as far as rampant steroid use in the NFL, read Tony Mandarich's interviews. He used in college, but was afraid to use in the NFL because of random testing. Sure players still beat the system, but it's probably not rampant, and if it is, it's their own union that is tacitly agreeing to it since they could increase testing coverage anytime.

No, it's a "listen to your customers" thing. And a "don't let your most public employees crap on your business" thing.

No, the league a shared entity that's not going to let two "rational actors" pursue commerce that benefits them in the short term, but damages the league in the long term. If they let Jones and Jones do whatever they want it would be a "tragedy of the commons" where individual teams polluted the image every team needs for the league to succeed, just to pursue their selfish individual goals.


Pacman would be popular in any city where he played for the hometown team, because he's a valuable player, and most fans suspend all moral and ethical judgments when a player helps their team win. But his actions will turn off the fans in every other city, and tarnish the leagues image permanently.

Goodell gets brand management. He's a far better commissioner than Tagliaboob who let drug dealers, murderers (I consider both Lewis and Little to be murderers) run rampent through the league and bit by bit diminish it's image.

Even if Pacman was the leagues best defensive back (and he's not even close to that) if he was permanently banned no one would notice after a few games. Another defensive back would move up to be the leagues best, and the difference in the game would be imperceptible. College football is hugely successful with stars who could not even make scout teams in the NFL, solely because the games are competitive and entertaining. No one could see the difference if the NFL player ran a tenth of second slower because a bunch of speedy thugs were banned.

And if Mark Cuban starts a new league with thugs cast off from the NFL, LOL. It would be the most unbalanced and unlikeable football league in history. Rosters would hold maybe one Pacman or Michael Vick each, along with a bunch of XFL washouts. It would be interesting to see Vick run for 400 yards in a game once, after that it would be like watching Madden football with the settings screwed uip.

There is no color to thug. Any player who assaults, threatens, to assault, rapes, pays to have someone assaulted, murders someone, kills dogs for pleasure, pretty much falls under the purview of the term "thug".

And I think Jerramy Stevens is half and half if that makes you feel any better.

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