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09-18-2010 , 11:58 PM

#1451

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Originally Posted by ThaSaltCracka

Awful awful awful job by ND imo. They shouldn't have been pressing for a block and they should have expected something like a fake. FG success there has to be low, so a fake isn't that surprising in hindsight.

They weren't going for the block. The two Notre Dame players just watched the guy run down the field

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09-18-2010 , 11:59 PM

#1452

TheUntouchable

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Originally Posted by vixticator

possibly the most insane call i've ever seen

Insane based on how the media would treat him if it failed, sure. But it was a very smart call as it's arguably the best option. That kick just almost never gets made imo.

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09-19-2010 , 12:00 AM

#1453

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Originally Posted by razorbacker

They weren't going for the block. The two Notre Dame players got steamrolled by a fat white guy, leaving the other fat white guy wide open.

FYP

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09-19-2010 , 12:00 AM

#1454

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There have been ballsier calls in bigger games.

That was definitely a "if this doesn't work people will make fun of me for the rest of my life" calls though.

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09-19-2010 , 12:00 AM

#1455

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#24 completely trucks both defenders who could've covered Gantt. Probably smart because the refs are never gonna be looking to call a penalty on somebody making a block.

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09-19-2010 , 12:00 AM

#1456

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This Stoops guy is gonna have a heartattack. Never understood how degens like that sustain head coaching jobs.

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09-19-2010 , 12:01 AM

#1457

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Originally Posted by TheUntouchable

Insane based on how the media would treat him if it failed, sure. But it was a very smart call as it's arguably the best option. That kick just almost never gets made imo.

Detroit media is all over his (now huge) nuts, they'd support him fully

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09-19-2010 , 12:01 AM

#1458

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I mean, very basically if you consider that MSU wins the game 50% of the time if the FG is made, and the kicker makes it a generous 40% of the time, then the play has to work 20% of the time to make it a good play.

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09-19-2010 , 12:02 AM

#1459

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Prolly if ND lines up with safeties they just abort and kick. they still should have been there.

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09-19-2010 , 12:02 AM

#1460

TheUntouchable

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Originally Posted by vixticator

seems like an absolutely godawful call too lol

wat

really doesn't have to work that often given the low chances of the FG being made and the fact that even if it's made they're still only tied

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09-19-2010 , 12:02 AM

#1461

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You know, the thing is, not anticipating them faking it was nowhere near the most incompetent things Kelly was guilty of tonight. Like, it does make perfect sense in hindsight for them to do that given their kicker's experience - but I think the reaction in here says it all in terms of how well we could anticipate it. I'm bemused by the ending pretty much.

But I'm ****ing flat out angry with a lot of the coaching decisions during the game itself. I didn't expect us to be good this year. But we were good enough to win tonight - and I don't think Kelly maximised our EV.

Sigh, I'm off to bed. Cya next week.

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09-19-2010 , 12:02 AM

#1462

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Originally Posted by ThaSaltCracka

Who in their right mind would ever expect a fake there? It's an insane call and blaming ND for not expecting it is pretty ridiculous.

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09-19-2010 , 12:03 AM

#1463

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Originally Posted by TheUntouchable

Insane based on how the media would treat him if it failed, sure. But it was a very smart call as it's arguably the best option. That kick just almost never gets made imo.

well idk how good the kicker is or isn't, but i would expect that fake to work very small % of the time. so like 35% makes kick, 15% fake works. eh, maybe more? but yeah if they fail he literally gets crucified for calling that and would have been the most epic lolsparty ever.

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09-19-2010 , 12:04 AM

#1464

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Originally Posted by vixticator

but yeah if they fail he literally gets crucified for calling that and would have been the most epic lolsparty ever.

Can you imagine if it hadn't worked? The board would explode even more than it just did.

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09-19-2010 , 12:04 AM

#1465

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Originally Posted by Sly Caveat

Who in their right mind would ever expect a fake there? It's an insane call and blaming ND for not expecting it is pretty ridiculous.

Yep. Keyboard commandos love to look to point fingers and blame, but sometimes it's just a gutsy playcall that works out. lol @ blaming ND for not being adequately prepared for that.

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09-19-2010 , 12:04 AM

#1466

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Originally Posted by LuckyLloyd

Welcome, to more of the same.

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09-19-2010 , 12:05 AM

#1467

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Originally Posted by TalkingDonkey

Can you imagine if it hadn't worked? The board would explode even more than it just did.

i'm very disappointed that it worked, oh man

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09-19-2010 , 12:05 AM

#1468

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Who in their right mind would ever expect a fake there? It's an insane call and blaming ND for not expecting it is pretty ridiculous.

considering its basically up to the kicker whether or not it will be good, they should have expected a fake and left the success of the FG solely up to the kicker. Seems pretty straightforward.

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09-19-2010 , 12:07 AM

#1469

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Originally Posted by ThaSaltCracka

considering its basically up to the kicker whether or not it will be good, they should have expected a fake and left the success of the FG solely up to the kicker. Seems pretty straightforward.

yeah this for sure... which is why the fake shouldn't work like ever. but lol ND coaches i guess?

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09-19-2010 , 12:07 AM

#1470

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Because the fake is unexpected it's going to work quite a bit more than your average 4th and 14 play, and as the game showed, a lot of the time it works you win instantly. I don't know if it's a massively positive call, but I'd be shocked if it's outright bad.

EDIT: I mean, you're simultaneously talking about how insane the playcall is while also saying "lol ND" for not anticipating an insane playcall. That's a pretty inconsistent position.

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09-19-2010 , 12:09 AM

#1471

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I guess I never considered it. But now it looks in hindsight that you should have safeties on and OT fg attempt by default. Or any FG where a TD ends the game.