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07-10-2011 , 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Triumph36
montreal is not one of the league's worst 5 on 5 teams. they were in 2010, but last year they were decent, they finished +6, and that with all the injuries on defense and scott gomez running horrible. it's one of those perception becomes reality things i guess.

i'd guess that montreal finishes 2011 somewhere between +10 and +20 at 5 on 5.
Are you sure Scott Gomez isn't just horrible?

Regardless, it's going to be an interesting season this year. I expect NJ not to suck ass like they did the first half of last year, so the Atlantic Division will be tough as well as the NE.
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07-10-2011 , 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by AcTiOnJaCsOn
cant wait until nhl 12 comes out, prob shouldnt have just gotten NHL11. Sneak peak:
You got 360 or PS3?
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07-10-2011 , 09:44 PM
ps3, really need to start playing it more tbh, need to get hooked up online.
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07-10-2011 , 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by GambleGamble
Sekera filed for arbitration but is unlikely to end up there as the Sabres plan on doing something ahead of time...

...you forget they can go over the cap in the offseason, 70 mil I believe which is more than enough to sign them, I know its probably BS but so far in my predictions of who will sign for what aside from Cody McCormick I was dead on in the Weber signing and 15k of on Geber so I have Sekera at 1.6, MAG @ 1m and Enroth @ 1.35 and even if I am way off they will still be under the 70 mil.... also remember Morisson will in no way be against the cap @ just over 2mil and Kotaliks 3m wont hit it barring an amazing camp
I'm not concerned about staying under the summer cap. If MAG starts in Rochester, his salary isn't a concern, but they still need space for the other two. If Kotalik/Morrisonn are both bought out/waived/etc, it works. But I thought Pegula has said Kotalik is still an NHL player or something like that, so I assume he wants him on the roster, which is what worries me.
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07-10-2011 , 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by AcTiOnJaCsOn
ps3
lol
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07-10-2011 , 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by NIX
I'm not concerned about staying under the summer cap. If MAG starts in Rochester, his salary isn't a concern, but they still need space for the other two. If Kotalik/Morrisonn are both bought out/waived/etc, it works. But I thought Pegula has said Kotalik is still an NHL player or something like that, so I assume he wants him on the roster, which is what worries me.
....I was a little concerns with Pegula and his love of players etc but he loved Connolly and he is gone so it eased my mind a little, Regier and Ruff did say he will get a shot to earn a starting spot and he should of course having had his best years here so it could be interesting but I highly doubt he makes the team since he has the same skill set as compared to some other players who were much cheaper and they need to keep some Gritty McGrits out there.

I suppose on could say its going to be a competition between him and Boyes but Boyes can play C also so thats an edge.

Barring any other moves the lineup will end up very close to this:
Vanek - Roy - Pominville
Ennis - Leino - Stafford
Gerbe - Hecht - Boyes
McCormick - Gaustad - Kaleta

Regher - Leopold
Myers - Ehrhoff
Sekera/MAG - Weber

Miller
Enroth

That leaves 1.5m to play with for a 13th winger/injuries etc. I for one think Sekera will get dealt as he has most value right now and would free up another 1.5m for a 7th dman etc.... but who knows with deals yet to happen, we could see Boyes dealt still to a team looking to get to the cap floor etc or even Kotalik. I do know that Morrisonn definitely wants out via trade/waive etc

All these numbers are based on the RFAs signing for deals totaling around ~4m.
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07-10-2011 , 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Meraxes
Re: St Louis...

I wasn't posting or even lurking this board when the STL/COL trade went down last year. What was the general reaction here? Seems to me that trade set up the Blues make some waves in the next couple years. I could see a WCF 3-4 years from now.
Through the time machine:

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Originally Posted by aislephive
Really surprised to see a deal like that go down, wow. Seems pretty even to me value-wise, but I like it a little bit more from Colorado's POV. Stewart is pretty good, however his underlying numbers seem to indicate a player due for some regression. Johnson gives them a great piece to build around on a defensive core that sorely needs it, while McClement is a very underrated defensive specialist who can play against tough competition and be a dynamo on the PK.

Edit: On second thought, I'm not so sure. Shattenkirk seems pretty decent, and he's young.
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Originally Posted by Triumph36
i thought st. louis got absolutely raped but johnson's numbers are really not good this year. i do fear that st. louis is sorting by points though. and mcclement is a really excellent piece.
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Can't imagine STL dealing him if they saw another Rob Blake. Looks like they got rid of him before he became a more talented Derian Hatcher.
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Oh, forgot to mention, went drinking with Flyers fan girl last night, we ended up at McDonald's and I think now she's coming up to our buddy's cottage for the weekend in March and we're going to a Sabres game now too? The whole night is sort of a blur but more Flyers fan girl in my life can't be a bad thing, right?

She's so pretty. Great white buffalo.
I have to imagine it looks a little better from STL's perspective after Stewart finished the year with 23 points in 26 games for them.
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07-10-2011 , 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by DontWakeDaddy
lol lavvy
Nice foresight.
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07-10-2011 , 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Through the time machine:

-snip-

I have to imagine it looks a little better from STL's perspective after Stewart finished the year with 23 points in 26 games for them.
Thanks for that goofy. Seems like Erik Johnson is still being valued somewhat on expectation that he's never really justified. I'm really high on Chris Stewart. Other than the period of time after he came back from the broken hand, where he didn't seem to be completely recovered, he's just been great. Shattenkirk is really the X factor though. He put up points in pretty impressive bunches for a rookie defenseman. Might have been a fluke, or maybe Shattenkirk/Pietrangelo will end up being a tandem force from the blue line for years to come.

It's hard to say how a group of fairly young players will end up gelling, but I think they'll be pretty fun to watch.
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07-10-2011 , 11:20 PM
Optimus Reim's new mask:

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07-10-2011 , 11:21 PM
Is that real? F'ing sweet.
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07-10-2011 , 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by cwicemvp12
lol
ya, i honestly cant say your wrong because ive never played an x box really. well, years ago but obv the technology is way different. Why is it so much better exactly?
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07-10-2011 , 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Meraxes
Is that real? F'ing sweet.
Apparently not

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ya, i honestly cant say your wrong because ive never played an x box really. well, years ago but obv the technology is way different. Why is it so much better exactly?
I'm not into it enough to say one way or the other, all I know is that all the cool kids play on Xbox. I would assume they both have their drawbacks, as does anything.
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07-10-2011 , 11:30 PM
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Thanks for that goofy. Seems like Erik Johnson is still being valued somewhat on expectation that he's never really justified...
yeah, but young D-men can still be salvaged, sometimes big ones like him don't really get good until they're into their 30's. so he's still got a lot of time left. i'm a little worried because he hasn't looked all that great, after seeming unbelievable before being drafted. he beasted that WJHC as a draft eligible player on the team with Jack Johnson, Kessel, Ryan, Oshie, Mueller, Wheeler, Skille, Schremp, Schneider, etc. but then again he did suffer a couple bad injuries after that, so who knows.
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07-10-2011 , 11:35 PM
He could certainly prove me wrong in the years to come.
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07-11-2011 , 01:05 AM
lol Zurvan, vwp.
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07-11-2011 , 01:40 AM
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lol Zurvan, vwp.
Yeah I feel silly for having fell for it. Thankfully I caught on quickly enough not to waste that much time.
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07-11-2011 , 10:06 AM
i look at that buffalo lineup and i think - wow, they're going to be making multiple moves before the season starts.

i can't stress how ******ed that brad boyes trade was
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07-11-2011 , 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by AcTiOnJaCsOn
ya, i honestly cant say your wrong because ive never played an x box really. well, years ago but obv the technology is way different. Why is it so much better exactly?
Well mostly because me, cwice, and goofy play on xbox.
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07-11-2011 , 11:03 AM
my two 360s broke

****ty piece of ****ty piece of ****
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07-11-2011 , 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Triumph36
i look at that buffalo lineup and i think - wow, they're going to be making multiple moves before the season starts.

i can't stress how ******ed that brad boyes trade was
As ******ed as it was it did show the fans etc that they were serious about making moves to improve the team even though it didn't improve them in the long run and the 4mil on the cap this year has hurt... hopefully him being in a contract year and being in the system for a year we can see some reasonable production.

This will be the first time in years their trade deadline acquisition will be around the following year (Torres, Bernier, Moore), well at least for now.

And what major issues do you see with their lineup?

Their defense is done and above average regardless of the final pairing

Their grit line of McCormick/Gaustad/Kaleta is just that, their 3rd line can produce scoring and if Boyes does anything it will be much better...

Their top 6 is still questionable as its more of 2 #2 lines at best with another converted winger at C. I do see their top line being better than previous since Vanek played a lot better on the back end and made a step last year in realizing he needs to actually work for his own scoring chances which should help out Roy and Pominville a lot.

It really comes down to whether or not Staffords 30goals were a fluke (4 hat tricks = big variance) and if Leino can match or improve on last years numbers etc.. Ennis is still young and has room to improve but I wish he had more size..

I think they will make the playoffs as defensively it will help a ton especially for Miller but they still have some of the same holes they have had up front which always pop up come playoffs so unless they make some deals its going to be the same old same old
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07-11-2011 , 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Meraxes
Thanks for that goofy. Seems like Erik Johnson is still being valued somewhat on expectation that he's never really justified. I'm really high on Chris Stewart. Other than the period of time after he came back from the broken hand, where he didn't seem to be completely recovered, he's just been great. Shattenkirk is really the X factor though. He put up points in pretty impressive bunches for a rookie defenseman. Might have been a fluke, or maybe Shattenkirk/Pietrangelo will end up being a tandem force from the blue line for years to come.

It's hard to say how a group of fairly young players will end up gelling, but I think they'll be pretty fun to watch.
I think you need to take positional scarcity into account. Look at how much money went to UFA D-Men this year, none of whom I'd want as a #1 D-man to build the team around. Scoring wingers are easier to come by, and a position the Avs are pretty deep at. David Jones has taken a step up the last couple years, and while he's no Chris Stewart, I don't think he's really that big of a dropoff. Mueller coming back would be nice for them too. Before the Johnson trade their #1 D-man was Adam Foote (who was old/injured last year and is now retired). The rest of the defensive corps had a couple small offensive guys, and a couple of scrubs. They were literally the worst defense in the league (both ES and PK). IIRC at the time of the trade they were scoring over 3 goals per game too. With a high-powered offense and league-worst defense, I can see why they wanted to make this type of move.

You're right that Johnson hasn't justified being the #1 overall pick so-far. You can see why they picked him though: he's big, skates well, and has a big slapshot. Unfortunately, he hasn't quite developed these talents into in-game skills. Looked like he was getting muscled off the puck too often for a guy of his size, and played comically bad on 2-on-1s. He made a few mistakes leading to PP goals too but I think the PK did improve after he got there. The "weak" plays were what bothered me most about his game, just don't see #1 guys get taken off the puck like that.

This is just from my observations though (biases etc...) not stats, so I could be completely off.
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07-11-2011 , 12:39 PM
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As ******ed as it was it did show the fans etc that they were serious about making moves to improve the team even though it didn't improve them in the long run and the 4mil on the cap this year has hurt... hopefully him being in a contract year and being in the system for a year we can see some reasonable production.
and then he played on the 4th line during the playoffs and is a contract albatross now. well done, regier.

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And what major issues do you see with their lineup?
sekera's not a third pairing defenseman and he won't be paid like one no matter what happens. gragniani showed well in the playoffs, he's waiver-eligible and would never make it through. morrisonn is being paid 1.9M to do what, exactly? and then kotalik. are they really going to bury 5M?

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Their grit line of McCormick/Gaustad/Kaleta is just that, their 3rd line can produce scoring and if Boyes does anything it will be much better...
gaustad is not a 4th line center, he's not being paid like one, he doesn't play like one.

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It really comes down to whether or not Staffords 30goals were a fluke (4 hat tricks = big variance) and if Leino can match or improve on last years numbers etc.. Ennis is still young and has room to improve but I wish he had more size..
they were a fluke. ennis is going to be an excellent player though.

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I think they will make the playoffs as defensively it will help a ton especially for Miller but they still have some of the same holes they have had up front which always pop up come playoffs so unless they make some deals its going to be the same old same old
i think they're likely to make the playoffs, but the east is getting really hard, i wouldn't think they're more than 60% to make it.
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07-11-2011 , 12:53 PM
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and then he played on the 4th line during the playoffs and is a contract albatross now. well done, regier.
agreed, but they took a shot they have never taken before which was good to see as a fan at the time

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sekera's not a third pairing defenseman and he won't be paid like one no matter what happens. gragniani showed well in the playoffs, he's waiver-eligible and would never make it through. morrisonn is being paid 1.9M to do what, exactly? and then kotalik. are they really going to bury 5M?
I assume you mean he is a top 4 and not someone who shouldnt make a top 6 and thats also agreeable but then who of the top 4 moves to a bottom pairing... this is why I think he gets dealt, MAG and him have a similar skill set while MAG will be cheaper...

Morrisonn wants out but no one will pick up that contract after the awful showing last year so he is waived, buried etc.

Yes they will bury that much, especially if Pegula keeps with his money doesnt matter motto.

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gaustad is not a 4th line center, he's not being paid like one, he doesn't play like one.
Again I assume you mean he should be higher, mostly because of his FO and defensive ability... I could see him and Hecht flipping back and forth, though they do put Gaustad on the PP which is god awful since they play him in front and he has no ****ing hands at all

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they were a fluke. ennis is going to be an excellent player though.
I hope not

What do you think his high end is? 25g 40a?

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i think they're likely to make the playoffs, but the east is getting really hard, i wouldn't think they're more than 60% to make it.
Again agreed, I can see them getting hot but thats the same for any team that makes the playoffs... 2012 is their year
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07-11-2011 , 01:35 PM
I really think Buffalo is the sexy pick of the East this year (the Tampa Bay of 11-12, if you will). Improved offense, drastically improved defense and Ryan Miller when on his game is one of the best goalies in the NHL.
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