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01-16-2013 , 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by nath
Manziel and Bridgewater both seem legit. I posted earlier ITT asking people where they would rank them on this list but no one responded.
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Originally Posted by fanmail
If Bridgewater continues his trajectory upward, then he will be a top 10 QB asset when he reached the NFL. Manziel, I'm not as sure of him.
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Originally Posted by iggymcfly
This seems incredibly optimistic. Bridgewater could develop into a Top 10 asset the same way he could end up outside the Top 50. His median path is probably no higher than say Tannehill would have been this time last year.
We could all take your words for it and not say you're wrong, but see it as something for which to look, as opposed to anything near a relative projection.

I could be thinking of this wrong, but let's say Stafford does nothing unexpected, more or less, but DET's D is a 30-PPG abortion and they go 6-10. Let's say you know this is going to happen; do you trade Stafford for the pick on the board that you know Manziel won't pass? Bridgewater?

Not saying there's a right or wrong answer, and I may be thinking of this the wrong way, but this is how I'm looking at the NCAA guys we can confidently project to enter the NFL and I wouldn't make this trade.

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Originally Posted by vaya
Did Wilson even run that much in college? I certainly never thought of him as a running QB.
He was the de facto GL back at NC State. At Madison, his pass:rush attempt ratio was almost 4:1, but he didn't throw often. He was handing off to Ball a ton.

He did have a ~73% CMP rate and 33 TDs with 4 INTs, though. I've never seen the numbers, but loleyetest-wise, his bootleg play was elite.
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01-16-2013 , 04:52 PM
Russell ran 79 times for 338 yds at Wisky, 4.3 ypc, 6ish rushes per game.
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01-16-2013 , 04:59 PM
If anything that Rustle Wisconsin team massively under achieved. They lost like three games and just didn't score like it seemed like they should have with that dominant running game combined with a passing QB of Rustle's ability.
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01-16-2013 , 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Palo
After seeing that list I think Rustle going as high as the third round was super impressive.
After seeing that list all I can think is lol Seneca Wallace lol Mike Holmgren
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01-16-2013 , 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Palo
If anything that Rustle Wisconsin team massively under achieved. They lost like three games
Their two regular season losses came on last second Hail Marys.

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Originally Posted by Palo
and just didn't score like it seemed like they should have with that dominant running game combined with a passing QB of Rustle's ability.
They averaged 46 points a game.
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01-16-2013 , 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by iggymcfly
This seems incredibly optimistic. Bridgewater could develop into a Top 10 asset the same way he could end up outside the Top 50. His median path is probably no higher than say Tannehill would have been this time last year.
Really?
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01-16-2013 , 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by vaya
Did Wilson even run that much in college? I certainly never thought of him as a running QB.
Not a running QB in the sense of 'has a huge number of rushes' but he runs in order to extend plays and escape pressure; he uses his running ability to aid his passing.
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01-16-2013 , 07:12 PM
If any RW jock rider wants to come up with a wager that Rustle isn't a top-5 QB by EPA next year then let me know (he was 6th this year FWIW)

eta: just regular season ofc, he's too much of a beast in the playoffs
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01-16-2013 , 07:12 PM
just lol @ Bridgewater not being any better than Tannehill
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01-16-2013 , 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Das Boot
Really?
If iggy's not trolling, he's just making ignorant claims.
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01-16-2013 , 07:17 PM
It's pretty well documented that Iggy possesses no ability to evaluate quarterbacks.
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01-16-2013 , 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by vaya
just lol @ Bridgewater not being any better than Tannehill
FWIW, I'm not saying Bridgewater's 50% to be better than Tannehill now. I'm just saying that he should on average be a kind of mid-1st round guy who's 50% to be a better prospect than Tannehill coming out of school. I could be wrong here, but it seems like Bridgewater's stock shot waaaaay up after the Sugar Bowl, and he wasn't necessarily that hyped before, and that his stock could easily end up slipping hard like Geno, Barkley, even Denard at one point.
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01-16-2013 , 07:51 PM
He's a true sophomore running what I believe is a pro-style offense and had significant improvement from his freshman to his sophomore year (and then obviously the bowl game). Seems to be a significant dog to regress next season.
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01-16-2013 , 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Russell ran 79 times for 338 yds at Wisky, 4.3 ypc, 6ish rushes per game.
College rushing stats subtract sacks from rushing totals. So he prob ran for significantly more yardage.

I could be wrong
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01-17-2013 , 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by clowntable
Top 16 (aka you can win a SB with this bunch)
1. Rodgers - NFC
2. Ryan - NFC
3. Luck - AFC
4. Newton - NFC
5. Wilson - NFC
6. Kaepernick - NFC
7. RG III - NFC
8. Brady - AFC
9. Flacco - AFC
10. Peyton - AFC
11. Brees - NFC
12. Stafford - NFC
13. Rape - AFC
14. Freeman - NFC
15. Schaub - AFC
16. Eli - NFC
Edit: Added conferences.

Maybe lol-AFC after all. At least long term. Also interesting that all the "running QBs" are in the NFC.
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01-20-2013 , 05:35 PM
Ice at Halftime:
18/24
271 Yds
3 TD
11.3 Avg
151.2 Rtg
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01-20-2013 , 05:51 PM
I think I want to flip CK and Wilson on my list due to size/body
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01-20-2013 , 05:53 PM
we def need a Baltimore/Atlanta SB so we can determine who the most best elite QB is between ICE & FLACKS
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01-20-2013 , 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by digables
Ice at Halftime:
18/24
271 Yds
3 TD
11.3 Avg
151.2 Rtg
1 pick
1 fumble
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01-20-2013 , 06:24 PM
CK7 is just absurd
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01-20-2013 , 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by digables
Ice at Halftime:
18/24
271 Yds
3 TD
11.3 Avg
151.2 Rtg
what about 2nd half?
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01-20-2013 , 07:12 PM
1. kaepernick







2-32. the rest

eat a dick, haters (see: run ricky run et al)
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01-20-2013 , 10:23 PM
I'm not putting him ahead of SCAM, but he's clearly top 10 and pushing top 5
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01-20-2013 , 10:25 PM
1. Chad Henne
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01-20-2013 , 10:41 PM
1. Cam
2. Kaep
3. Rodgers
4. Luck
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