Gotta crack a few eggs to make an omelet, right?

Anyways, Myturn is correct, move the kickoff up to the 35 and play from there, it's the simplest change that makes sense.

yes but you are thinking one dimensionally. Think about the % you lose for the PAT and going for 2 instead. So just shy of 50% of time I end it on a coin flip (as AK vs QQ isn't quite exactly coin flip either) but that has other variables involved as to whether you get involved or not. These variables in football are, opponent having to now get a TD and a TD only in this particular format mentioned.

After that the next team having to get a TD and not even a FG means defense will be a little better EV than a regular OT situation. Stop the TD which is more often then not and you are good.

They should do like in the CFL each team gets the ball and if they score the other team got to score or they loose... its way better than a coin flip..

This is the most obvious genius thing ever. I'm stunned I never thought of this.

I take it I'm being leveled?? Is there a reason why this is a bad idea?

Well for one thing you would eliminate a lot of the drama at the end of a tie game, with a team trying to score before overtime. There's something kind of sacred about the end of a game. Making the end of the 4th quarter behave just like the 3rd quarter (in case of a tie) seems a little weird and anti-climactic.

I thought he was being serious...seems like a good idea to me.

QFT

Why not bid on kick-off position instead of starting position? This way you maintain more of the aspects of a regular game.

Every time I watch an NFL overtime game where a team wins the toss and immeditely goes down and kicks a field goal I feel very ripped off and just like "ugh"

But people have been bitching about this scenario for decades and nothing has been done, that seems to indicate nothing ever will be.

So instead of the winner of the coin toss having a small advantage, the winner of the coin toss now has a massive advantage!

Great solution to the problem!

funny, that was my argument.

going first in college football OT might be the biggest rule disadvantage in sports

we do something similar in friendly drunken field hockey tourneys. ball is on the halfway line, keepers rush out, hilarity ensues. if it's good enough for drunken amateurs with questionable insurance, it's good enough for the NFL

This, of course means not playing overtime at all, and just leaving the game as a tie. This is also my preference.

This is essentially the same as the college system. The problem with it is that it is not football. No big deal if you are going to play 12 v 12 with only 3 downs anyway. But in "real football" special teams are involved, and one possession leads to the next.

Now: winner of coin toss drives down the field, kicks field goal, game over.

My plan: winner of coin toss drives down the field, kicks field goal, other team has one chance to get TD.

How on earth is that a bigger advantage for the first team? If the first team doesn't score, overtime proceeds exactly as it does now. First team to score wins.

This just guarantees the second team gets a chance (unless the first team goes for 2, which they won't because they don't want to lose to a normal TD). I really don't think it's that complicated, and would add one extra possession at most.

Here's a hint: the winner of the coin toss would not select possession under these rules.

Yea, but then you get stupid **** like, what is better a 7-7-2 record or an 8-8 record.

a) Yes they would.

b) Then if it is an advantage to go second, which it isn't since you have to score more than the other team, the team that wins the coin toss could select to go second. But it isn't an advantage, so they wouldn't.

Nothing short of just giving the game to the coin toss winner is as advantageous for them as the current system. Or more anti-climactic for the fans.

No I was being serious; it's a great idea.

A tie is defined as half a win and half a loss, so these records are equal. If a team with an 8-8 record and a team with a 7-7-2 record were being considered for a playoff spot, the normal tiebreakers would apply. (This is true under the current system BTW)

have you ever seen a soccer game at the end of ot? esp if its hot. jfc, it looks like they are under water sometimes. during 90min players run 5-10miles. they get 3 subs sure. there are no tv timeouts are anything like. just a halftime.

if you know nothing about the sport, you shouldnt use it as a comparison.

Its clearly an advantage to kick off with the rules you propose, especially if there is a strong wind.



You start on D. 28% of the time your opponent drives and scores a FG or TD.

You now know what you need to prolong the game or win, totally changing the strategy of the game and giving you 4 downs if you need them.


72% of the time your opponent turns it over or is forced to punt and you get the ball with a far better average starting field position than your opponent. Now if you score its game over.


Advantage defense, so you are in the same situation as before, its "unfair." Plus you would end up with more ties.



OT is not broken, as MT2R said, just move the kickoff back up to the 35 yard line, even with the better FG kickers in today's game this would make it much closer to a 50/50 proposition.

Even if the second team has a slight advantage, there is no way on earth that it's as big of an advantage as what the first team has now. Think about it - you're saying that it's more of an advantage to see what the other team does, then have to beat that score - than to just get the ball as if the other team hadn't scored at all (as happens now). Yes wind and field position are factors, but I would say never enough to tip the scales. Just like no one ever elects to receive now in overtime.

And you would never end up with more ties in my system, because the second team can't tie. They have to beat the first team's score, or they lose. I think any advantage you get by going second is mostly negated by having to score more than the first team. If somehow this ever got implemented I'd be willing to bet no team ever elects to kick-off, except maybe like you said in a super strong wind. Which would just prove that the edge is a lot closer than it is now, where it would have to be a hurricane for teams to even think about kicking off.

Dibs on writing a paper with approximating the NE if this happens.

I think all you need is a mapping of each yard-line to an estimated chance of winning, and you're good to go.