Clayton's list looks like Not Lolo's.

so would aaron brooks

26/39 377 3 0

against the best pass defense in the nfl

just ridic

Bumping for Jaws

The awesome thing about the rings argument is that its only for QBs. You never hear Jaws calling Marv Flemming the greatest TE of all time.

lol how do these idiots get jobs: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/superbo...er-not-so-fast

That might be the most ******ed thing that I've ever read in my life.

Lolwut?!?!

i actually agree with kirk for once

it really is

Wow that is an impressive amount of stupid, he even completely butchers the Sophie's Choice reference.

"You put anybody else in there, and what happens to that offense? You can't duplicate it."

Awesome. It can't be duplicated because the system would work well with an average quarterback and that's because of Tom Brady.

basic logic is harder than coaching nfl teams apparently

LOL I missed that. The Raiders or Browns have a Sophie's Choice, this would obviously be the opposite of Sophie's Choice.

Can somebody more knowledgeable than me comment on whether the Colts' system is actually unlikely to work at all with a mediocre QB? Even if we go along with his terrible logic, I don't see why a meh QB couldn't step in and do ok. Obviously Manning making adjustments at the line is helpful, but other than that part it doesn't seem all that geared toward Manning. The standard here is a borderline playoff team which I think someone like Cassel could do at Indy.

I just looked and Cassel's ANY/A last season was 6.2. Sorgi has apparently played in 15 games in his career, but obviously that's random garbage time. It seems like he would be better if anything with the full team out there full time if he took over from Peyton. His career ANY/A is 6.0. I don't think this is great evidence or anything, and certainly less than Cassel playing the whole damn season for Brady, but it doesn't seem like the Colts would be worse than a borderline playoff team with a mediocre QB.

Another thing that I just thought of about this is that the Patriots had by far the easiest schedule, at least when it came out so going by opponents' record the previous season. Part of that was because they had gone 16-0, but even taking that into account, their schedule was one of the easiest. Despite that, they still missed the playoffs with Cassel, though they did go 11-5.

The Colts being some godawful team with a replacement level QB I think is unjustified. Maybe with specifically Curtis Painter tho, lol. I don't buy that they would go 3-13 w/o Manning though. More like 8-8.

The Colts would be a 9-7ish team with an average QB imo.

All the Curtis Painter stuff is pretty unfair. Painter was playing with several other backups and didn't get starter reps in practice. If you give him full practice reps all season and let him have the benefit of the first string offense he'd be ok.

don't see how someone of cassel's caliber could have integrated garcon/collie into the passing game or be trusted to throw 40 times a game w/o the presence of a running game. cassel had a good year for the pats but he also had an extremely high % of yac. colts don't have a welker who they consitently dump it off to for 3 yd passes that result in 10 yd gains and they don't run screens the way the pats do

Or alternatively, because he's a third string qb, he just might be godawful.

lolwutttttttt!

lol i'm at the airport on my phone so i can't really link to it but USA today picked brady as their all decade team QB

Yeah, weird how I never hear like "Jim Brown? Get serious show me the RAAANNGGGGGZZZZZ." I mean, I understand that RB is a way less important position than QB, but most of the mediatards probably do not, and probably think it is a close second or something. And yet you essentially NEVER hear this. QBs are ~95% responsible for winning, head coaches the other 5%, no one else is responsible in any way.

Sorgi > Painter > Brady

OK, I was having this debate with a friend last weekend, tell me if my argument makes any sense.

His argument was that Brady was better because in big playoff games, Peyton choked way too often.

My counterargument was that Peyton had way more opportunities to choke, and was also responsible for his team winning way more often, because he had way more of an effect on his team's success or failure than Brady did. I tried to break it down into 3 percentages, the % that the QB's performance had a significant effect on their team winning the game, the % that their performance had a negligible effect on the outcome, and the % that their performance had a significant impact on them losing the game.

Especially in his early years, I'd say Brady's breakdown was probably close to 15/70/15, whereas Manning's would be much closer to 50/20/30. So he is seen as being the goat more often because he had much more of an opportunity to end up as the goat, where Brady had really only one great playoff performance that I can see (The Carolina SB) and the rest of his games, he just played average and didn't turn the ball over, but didn't do anything spectacular.

lollll at that being a Sophie's Choice