It's no secret that Peyton's playoff performance is not as consistent as his regular season performance. He's the same guy that has 2 perfect playoff passer rating games and also same guy who throws game ending playoff picks. He's inconsistent in playoffs. But when it comes to head to head, Tom Brady has a dominating record against Peyton in regular season but only a 1-2 record in their biggest games which is pretty surprising on surface considering Brady's post season hype by his supporters. But if you dig deeper, this has been Brady's pattern ever since his defense stopped carrying him to wins. He too lays an egg in the biggest games consistently.

Sports discussions are inherently silly. It's watched by a bunch of people who are 6 beers deep. You have to talk to them in the language they understand.

You say you understand variance yet you're using a sample size of two games to show that Brady lays an egg when playing Peyton in the "biggest games". Do you understand what your doing wrong here?

It's almost as if it's harder for all QB's to score points in the playoffs.

Maybe you forgot the 2 superbowls I mentioned where he put up 14 and 17 points. Maybe you forgot the games others in the thread mentioned he lost to Sanchez and Flacco. Maybe you forgot that I mentioned that this is Tom Brady's pattern in the big games in the same post you quoted. Maybe you forgot I was mentioning his QB rating which covers every playoff game he ever played. Or should I keep mentioning everything in every single post?

Now go back and read the post I was responding to.

mostly trolling. 100% chance whenever either team exists the playoffs this year this thread is trolled from the other side.

Peyton has 8 one and dones.

Brady has made it to 8 AFCCG's.

It's a tie.

Well, you were using only two losses for that particular point so I referenced that piece. However, let's talk about all of it. He has 8 playoff losses. Total. In his career. Montana had 7 playoff losses. None of them came in the super bowl. They could have though. That's how variance works. Please don't throw out that you understand variance and then cite 8 playoff losses as evidence of anything. Brady is a great QB. So is Peyton. And in my mind, because of variance and because of many, many other factors, playoff win/loss records should not be used as an argument for or against either of them.

Should read.

When talking about a player, we should use everything as a factor including playoff records. Of course, both Tom Brady and Peyton Manning are great. In a single game for life, I'd take Tom Brady over Manning (and Montana over Brady) because Brady is less prone to mistakes and doesn't overthink the situation like Peyton seems to. But for a career, I'd take Peyton Manning (no one over Peyton in this category) as he makes the bigger difference for a team.

Of course everything is a factor. However, you appeared to be overvaluing playoff win/loss, as many, many others do. And you were citing your understanding variance in the same breath as citing a high variance situation as evidence in this argument. That's where you went wrong.

I was trolling at people who were using the same silly arguments against Peyton

also tom brady has been killing it on facebook whereas peyton has no social media presence

counterargument: Brady is a blue steel ponytailed hair-plugged pussy-whipped sponsor of the Ugg life. Is there any doubt that Boston would feel a lot better about all this if Brady and Manning switched personalities? I don't think Brady's a dbag, he seems ok, ok for a handsome 6'4" hall of fame quarterback who is still somehow an awkward human being.

peyton manning lied to us and told us fritos on a pizza is a good idea

he couldn't even look into the camera when he said it, he had to look down at the ground

Nope

How is Peyton having 5% higher ANY/A over many more career attempts not a significant difference?

Also, Brady's coach his entire career: The Greatest Coach Ever.
Manning's coaches his entire career: The 4 Horsemen of the WOATpocalypse

This is a very well made observation

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i know all about this because of a sports illustrated CD-ROM that came with my hewlett packard computer in 1994.

This thread just needs KARAK to come in and say, "neither can compete with ELIte Manning" and we can just come full circle. Probably for the 10th time. Round and round we go.

just throwing super rough numbers out. a million caveats here but consider this a starting point for park effects.

Peyton has a career outdoor ANY/A of 7.2 and indoor of 7.4. He has played 46% of his games indoors. but if you assume his indoor/outdoor split of games players is the same as Brady (93% outdoor, 7% indoor) his career overall ANY/A falls to 7.24

Meanwhile Brady has a career indoor ANY/A of 7.95 while outdoors is 6.91. If you give him Mannings split of indoor/outdoor games (46/54), his ANY/A rises to 7.9

now there are a lot of caveats there, the biggest being Brady's long term expectation indoors (he has a small sample there) and it's obviously simplistic to just flip flop everything but it's all I got right now. if you assume Brady's long term expectation is 5% better indoors and give him Peyton's split of games, they come out tied. and if he's only a few % better, it still ends up very close. anymore than 5% and he ends up higher

the point - the above is a very long way of saying that the current 5% difference in ANY/A could entirely be due to park effects.

I'd actually be curious to know what the actual difference is as a league indoors vs outdoors, and more specifically for each stadium. someone ambitious could probably context adjust each game each guy has played - b/c games in Buffalo and New Jersey are going to be played, in general, in worse conditions than Miami but they are all outdoors. actually maybe not if it's 90 degrees in Miami lol.

sure, arguments about coaching, teamates, etc are all fair game

I love how Manning is the genius "coach on the field" except for when bad stuff happens, then the coach is one of the 4 horseman WOAT super dumb moran guys.

CMI,

The term you are looking for is "Poe's Law"

Longevity is massively valuable for QBs you can't just discount 3 extra years especially since Brady is very unlikely to make the gap up and has played significantly worse over last 2.5 years

Manning = Brady more or less a push but
15yrs Manning>>> 12yrs Brady

It's not bulk volume if every year is top5 MVP

the only answer here is "we'll see". if you want to give Manning extra credit for longevity and starting 2 years younger than Brady did, ok, but just recognize he is also 1 year older and you just don't know who will end up playing longer. a freak injury or Peyton's neck could easily end up being the difference here.

this is reflected in the career numbers for each guy

also Brady has played a lot better over the last 5 games...gives me hope going forward