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01-19-2015 , 02:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Kneel B4 Zod
yeah why would he accept the same amount that Rodgers gets paid.

NFL really is unique that maximizing your deal isn't necessarily in your best interests. as long as you value being on a great team, anyways. to take less than max value assumes your team will actually spend "your" money elsewhere but if you don't have that faith...maybe you don't commit to that team.

end of the day, Luck could either make like $70m or ...$90m guaranteed? the only difference in his life is how many hospital wings he can endow and how much money his great grand kids have. practically to him it makes no difference, maybe he would rather his team have money to spend on a CB or DE. obviously not everyone is in his situation and 99% of the league should probably try to maximize but Luck may not be in that spot
Those teams that tell those players that are always 10M+ under the cap while raking in at least double that every year in profit. (patriots/packers and this season colts/seahawks/broncos all were too). Only in the NFL are players dumb enough to do that while that team will still cut them in a second if they can't perform anymore and won't pay them. Owners are all pretty much thanks for the discount, moron.
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01-19-2015 , 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
Those teams that tell those players that are always 10M+ under the cap while raking in at least double that every year in profit. (patriots/packers and this season colts/seahawks/broncos all were too). Only in the NFL are players dumb enough to do that while that team will still cut them in a second if they can't perform anymore and won't pay them. Owners are all pretty much thanks for the discount, moron.
not sure where you're getting your data from, but wrt the Pats, they are one of the top spending teams in the league. check out patscap.com

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In 2013, the NFL salary cap was set at $123 million. The Patriots' cash spending, according to sources not affiliated with the Patriots who track figures for all NFL clubs, was $129,656,000.

In 2012, when the NFL salary cap was set at $120.6 million, the Patriots' cash spending was about $168 million.

In 2011, with a salary cap of $120 million, the team's cash spending was around $130 million.

And in the 2010 uncapped year, the Patriots' cash spending was $151 million.

For the '10 and '12 seasons, the Patriots ranked second among all NFL teams in terms of spending cash, according to the independent data.
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01-19-2015 , 10:19 AM
Chim- Kubiak is terrible terrible terrible. More importantly though, we're a ~year away from having to completely rebuild and a huge factor in optimally rebuilding is creating an environment of stability with your staff. Can we really see Kubiak being the Broncos coach for 5+ years? I can't.

The only way this could maybe be alright is if Elway decided everyone available (to him) this year was terrible, sees Kubiak as a stop-gap to close out the Manning era and will, correctly, fire him and hire a coach with actual long-term equity for the re-build. Still though, any existing title equity during the Manning era just took a huge hit with this hire, and the chances Manning just laughs and retires increased.

Super sigh.
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01-19-2015 , 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Dudd
Isn't this Fox's exact resume prior to being hired, except being zero years removed from leading his team to the number one overall pick?
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Originally Posted by dkgojackets
you just described fox
Ya I get that they are both super similar. Just having a hard time believing the one who doesn't have 3 years of continuity with this group of players whose window is likely 1 more year is somehow gonna put them over the top.
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01-19-2015 , 11:14 AM
The NFC North features FAT MIKE, Caldwell and Fox...
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01-19-2015 , 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by thedeezy
The NFC North features FAT MIKE, Caldwell and Fox...
And the Vikes have one of the best young cores and arguably the best GM in the league. LOL packers hope you enjoyed your run.

Hopefully Fat Mike lives past the Rodgers Era so we can determine if he brings something positive to the table in terms of developing offensive players. Seems like that's the only potential argument in his favor.
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01-19-2015 , 02:24 PM
Vike Mike might not be terrible, or is he doomed b/c Mike?
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01-19-2015 , 02:25 PM
Well Zimmer does have the one true GOAT. So you guys will be fine.
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01-19-2015 , 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by DefNotRsigley

Maybe that is why he had an off game?
Probably. That or the Colts realized that what is called a penalty on every other receiver that had over a thousand yards is rarely called when it comes to the massive Gronk.
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01-19-2015 , 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by fanmail
Vike Mike might not be terrible, or is he doomed b/c Mike?
Zimmer is pretty bad at game and clock management but what he was able to do with the 31st ranked D from last year with only 1 major addition in Barr was phenomenal. Barr, Griffen, Floyd, Rhodes and Smith all had great years. All those guys were young guys with good potential but it's clear he's done a great job developing them.
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01-19-2015 , 03:45 PM
I have no doubt the vikes d will be good in the near future. Teddy showed enough to think that team may be pretty good in 2 years
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01-19-2015 , 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by GeoffRas22
Chim- Kubiak is terrible terrible terrible. More importantly though, we're a ~year away from having to completely rebuild and a huge factor in optimally rebuilding is creating an environment of stability with your staff. Can we really see Kubiak being the Broncos coach for 5+ years? I can't.

The only way this could maybe be alright is if Elway decided everyone available (to him) this year was terrible, sees Kubiak as a stop-gap to close out the Manning era and will, correctly, fire him and hire a coach with actual long-term equity for the re-build. Still though, any existing title equity during the Manning era just took a huge hit with this hire, and the chances Manning just laughs and retires increased.

Super sigh.
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01-19-2015 , 05:45 PM
Good coaches starting to seem more important than good QBs

Can anyone argue we don't have the two best HCs in this super bowl?
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01-19-2015 , 05:47 PM
In fact has there ever been 2 better coaches in the same Super Bowl than this one?
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01-19-2015 , 05:48 PM
Harbowl was pretty good coaching
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01-19-2015 , 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Searix
Good coaches starting to seem more important than good QBs

Can anyone argue we don't have the two best HCs in this super bowl?
Jim Harbaugh, maybe?
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01-19-2015 , 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Searix
Good coaches starting to seem more important than good QBs
Not seeing this. Look at the list of QB's who made the playoffs.

Not that that proves you wrong but what led you to that conclusion?
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01-19-2015 , 05:55 PM
Probably that the team with the worst HC and best QB in the league just pissed a game away against a team with a top-3 coach and worst QB of the 4 remaining.

Not that I agree with him. But yeah I made a post early this year something like "BB is the only coach that matters - everyone else is replacement level" (yes I was exaggerating a bit), but I got jumped on by casuals listing guys like CHIP and ****. lol.

A few years ago I think I said I'd trade an entire draft class for BB and people said he was too old and that was stupid. OK, have your Sean Payton, who is probably top 3 coming into this year and looked like a god damn idiot all season.

I really feel like there are maybe 5ish coaches in the entire league that are worth 1+ WAR coach. At best. Everyone else hovers around slightly better or slightly or noticeably worse than replacement. But BB has to be multiple WAR better than the 2nd best coach in the league.

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01-19-2015 , 05:57 PM
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Probably that the team with the worst HC and best QB in the league just pissed a game away against a team with a top-3 coach and worst QB of the 4 remaining.
HAHAAHAH I CAN TASTE YOUR GYPSY TEARS
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01-19-2015 , 06:15 PM
Seattle fans are really obnoxious for the most part
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01-19-2015 , 06:16 PM
Not really sure who that guy is. I guess we have our own Goodie now?
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01-19-2015 , 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Not really sure who that guy is. I guess we have our own Goodie now?
You are all your own Goodie.
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01-19-2015 , 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Searix
Good coaches starting to seem more important than good QBs

Can anyone argue we don't have the two best HCs in this super bowl?
It seems the formula is good coach and good qb.
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01-19-2015 , 07:07 PM
I assume we're talking about just playoffs, right? Obv a good QB can trump a bad coach through the regular season, but in the playoffs where both teams/QBs are good and margins are super slim, the coaches can tip the scales significantly.
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01-19-2015 , 08:13 PM
BB with this new eligible receiver stuff is pretty awesome, especially for a team to have a whole new strategy he only unleashes deep in the playoffs
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