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07-28-2015 , 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by A-Rod's Cousin
Courtesy of Deadspin:

"I am the idiot who spent $250 on an opening day ticket so I can watch Rodgers personally fist f*ck every last one of our players as Cutler and his unvaccinated family sit on a mountain of money. I’ve basically paid to watch the team I love bukkake all over my childhood."

LOL
This is great
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07-28-2015 , 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Palo
OMG Justin Tuck needs his own show on the NFL Network. I'd watch him tell stories all day. Too damn funny. WOOT WOOT!
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07-28-2015 , 03:12 PM
bell suspension reduced to 2 games.
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07-28-2015 , 03:17 PM
Rog sticks Brady with the initial 4 game suspension...
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07-28-2015 , 03:17 PM
Jonathan Martin is retiring RIP in peace bullygate
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07-28-2015 , 03:24 PM
If it wasn't for the fact that the whole bell thing denies us an opportunity to lol stealers, bell being reduced and Brady being upheld would be glorious
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07-28-2015 , 03:29 PM
The Wells Report Science is total junk

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The NFL paid millions for a fundamentally flawed report by lawyer Ted Wells that made Brady and the Patriots out to be slam-dunk guilty, based on more than 100 pages of mathematical analysis of ball pressurization . . . that turns out to be erroneous. The AEI’s report totally rejects the finding that the footballs used by the Patriots in the AFC championship game had a significant drop in air pressure compared with those used by the Colts. But the truly damning sentence is this one, buried in its erudite phrasings and equations: “The Wells report’s statistical analysis cannot be replicated by performing the analysis as described in the report,” the AEI concludes.

Basically, the math didn’t add up. It’s a standard principle in science: If you can’t replicate a set of results, then there is a problem with it. A flaw or a fraud is at work. Either you made a mistake, or you made it up.

When the AEI analysts looked more closely at how such a mistake could have been made, what they found “astonished” them, says the report’s co-author Stan Veuger. The Wells report “relies on an unorthodox statistical procedure at odds with the methodology the report describes.” Translation: The Wells report said it would use one equation but then used a different (and weird) equation to arrive at its numbers.

“It was really clumsy,” Veuger says. “It’s the kind of mistake you’d see in freshman statistics class.”

Another phrase possibly applies to all of this:

Falsifying results.
Other NFL owners who have Goodell's ear have been lobbying him to come down hard on Brady

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As PFT recently reported, multiple influential owners have been trying to influence Roger Goodell’s decision in the Tom Brady appeal. Via Tom Curran of CSNNE.com, ESPN’s Sal Paolantonio has attached two specific (and predictable) names to this effort.

“I know who they are and I’m gonna name ‘em right now,” Paolantonio told the Mighty 1090 in San Diego on Friday. “Jim Irsay of the Colts. Steve Bisciotti of the Ravens and others in the AFC who believe the Patriots have gotten away with murder for years and have not been publicly punished properly.”

If a truly independent party were handling Brady’s appeal, any effort by an owner to lobby the arbitrator (one way or the other) would be highly irregular — and it would result in the arbitrator informing the parties immediately of an inappropriate attempt to influence the outcome of the independent decision.

Earlier this year, the Missouri Supreme Court found that the Commissioner can’t be independent in arbitration cases involving legal claims filed against individual teams because he works for the people who own those teams. That same dynamic applies in Brady’s case.
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07-28-2015 , 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
Jonathan Martin is retiring RIP in peace bullygate
HARVARD LAWYER
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07-28-2015 , 03:33 PM
I'll always remember Larry Allen for this play

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07-28-2015 , 03:36 PM
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HARVARD LAWYER
Hopefully Richie Incognito shows up at Martin's presser and just glares at him the whole time
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07-28-2015 , 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Bode-ist
how did you end up on a poker forum?
If you can find me a team that would have boosted their record record by three wins based purely on mathematical decisions WRT to kicking FG's/punting/going for it then let me know. There should apparently be a heap of teams to have done so for "math guy" to add three wins a year

Yeah, teams should go for it more, I agree with that. But this one math guy is not going to turn a 7-9 team into 10-6 every year.

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Originally Posted by A-Rod's Cousin
How much is 1 road playoff game in Seattle worth? Pretty sure more than 120 grand.
As per this Grantland article, the decision to kick the FG cost GB approx 1.3 points

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/af...hawks-packers/

Are you telling me that you assign 100% of the chance of a win and loss on that particular decision and its 1.3 points of expectation (and the other short field goal), as opposed to

- The Bostick fumble
- The inability for GB to defend the 2pt conversion when Wilson threw over the rainbow
- Not letting Aaron Rodgers play before they needed to go hurry up in the last minute of play.

Yeah, making good math decisions is good. Not three wins good

This article (few years old) suggests that a HoFer QB is worth 2.6 wins on average over their backups

http://thebiglead.com/2011/09/06/how...manning-worth/

Making good math decisions is good, but these relatively small decisions are not worth 3 wins a year... Pretty sure even Mike Smith wouldn't have cost him team three wins year vs NYT robot who just made good decisions on 4th and x.

Stupid hyperbole with regards to how much making good decisions on 4th and x gains per season ruins its actual value (in that you add a small wp% for essentially free every time you make a good decision on 4th and x over a bad one, and steal the occasional victory over a large sample)
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07-28-2015 , 04:07 PM
Lol
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07-28-2015 , 04:27 PM
No way does a math expert make a 3 win difference. That said, even a 1 win difference is worth 100K.
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07-28-2015 , 04:38 PM
That article of 2.6 referenced has this quote in it

"The Colts will not be nearly as bad as people think, as we tend to overestimate the value of the elite quarterback"

2010 Colts 10-6

2011 Colts without peyton manning worst team in the league 2-14 (not even close dude) They were actually much worse than people thought as people guessed an avg of 5.6 wins.

Just last year arizona's backups were terrible as expected and Carson going down killed their season.

1) All of the math decisions for say a bad team combined is like 1 win a year or something like that (maybe a little over). Another reason why no coach or w/e cares. Not worth media/fan hassle. Playoffs you see it open up a bit unless it's fat mike.

2) Marc Trestman Even when you get one you think might know; they do something stupid elsewhere and any added value is gone.

Last edited by wheatrich; 07-28-2015 at 04:47 PM.
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07-28-2015 , 04:38 PM
Jesus Christ Ashley. Shut up.

3 wins is hyperbole for the most part, but it's not as far off as you think.*

They kicked 2 field goals when they shouldn't have, not just 1. And 1.3 points in one road playoff game is worth more than 120K, so that alone pays for Will Hunting's entire annual salary.

*Largely, because almost every other coach in the league is also making multiple terrible decisions per game that a math nerd could fix. In other words, punting when you should go for it isn't as big a mistake when your opponent punts when they should go for it on the very next possession. But if you hire a math nerd and your opponent doesn't, it should yield a relatively dramatic positive result in the long run.
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07-28-2015 , 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
Rog sticks Brady with the initial 4 game suspension...
rog agrees with himself

brady is gonna sue

I'm actually rooting for brady in that fight. weird
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07-28-2015 , 05:02 PM
Rog vs Brady is a true douche-off.

Can't I root for the judge to increase the length of the suspension?
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07-28-2015 , 05:18 PM
I will always remember Brady lying through his teeth during that presser. It was so obvious his tell. His teeth were clenched and he was speaking in a much higher pitched voice. We've all seen Tom speak many times when he was relaxed and he was never like that. Obvious liar.
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07-28-2015 , 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by A-Rod's Cousin
Jesus Christ Ashley. Shut up.

3 wins is hyperbole for the most part, but it's not as far off as you think.*

They kicked 2 field goals when they shouldn't have, not just 1. And 1.3 points in one road playoff game is worth more than 120K, so that alone pays for Will Hunting's entire annual salary.

*Largely, because almost every other coach in the league is also making multiple terrible decisions per game that a math nerd could fix. In other words, punting when you should go for it isn't as big a mistake when your opponent punts when they should go for it on the very next possession. But if you hire a math nerd and your opponent doesn't, it should yield a relatively dramatic positive result in the long run.
Green Bay has what, 10.5 win line this season?

If GB announce NYT4th down bot is making every decision on fourth down this year, what do you think that line becomes?

Good decisions on fourth are great, but they aren't worth all these wins you claim. Far closer to 0 than 3.

You probably think Seattle had a 100 WP% if Lynch had of ran in that SB play, so whatever...
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07-28-2015 , 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob
Rog vs Brady is a true douche-off.

Can't I root for the judge to increase the length of the suspension?
One of them at least has their job based on merit

Man Garoppolo is good
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07-28-2015 , 05:45 PM
What happens if Bledsoe never gets injured? Does another team discover Brady's genius or does he just have to wait a couple more years for Bledsoe to leave?
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07-28-2015 , 05:48 PM
Man, that's a good question. My best guess is the latter, but mostly due to Bledsoe's age. Sort of like a much tougher version of the Peyton-Luck dilemma (which in context was not really a tough decision at all).
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07-28-2015 , 05:54 PM
I don't get ashley's big gripe. He thinks a team spending $120K a year on a math nerd to assist on 4th down decisions is a net negative? What an expletive.

I said 3 wins is hyperbole but my point stands that it's somewhat funny a team won't hire a (presumably male) math nerd to help win games because (presumably) ZOMG NO RESPECT IN THE LOCKER ROOM but they just hired a female, who would face an even larger hurdle in that regard (probably).

Math nerds are minorities, too.
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07-28-2015 , 06:25 PM
Is Kurt Warner ever Kurt Warner w/o Trent Green going down?
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07-28-2015 , 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by A-Rod's Cousin
I don't get ashley's big gripe. He thinks a team spending $120K a year on a math nerd to assist on 4th down decisions is a net negative? What an expletive.

I said 3 wins is hyperbole but my point stands that it's somewhat funny a team won't hire a (presumably male) math nerd to help win games because (presumably) ZOMG NO RESPECT IN THE LOCKER ROOM but they just hired a female, who would face an even larger hurdle in that regard (probably).

Math nerds are minorities, too.
I don't know how many of my articles you've read but I've advocated for teams to just hire a kids who plays a ton of Madden for the role for years

My buddy Carolla also wants the goalposts extended further for field goals
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