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02-24-2017 , 07:16 PM
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Rodgers first 41 games: 22-19
Brees first 41 games: 21-20
Peyton first 41 games: 22-19

Didn't look up their records vs 9+ win teams in that stretch but can't imagine it's all that inspiring
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02-24-2017 , 07:27 PM
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Rodgers first 41 games: 22-19
Brees first 41 games: 21-20
Peyton first 41 games: 22-19

Didn't look up their records vs 9+ win teams in that stretch but can't imagine it's all that inspiring
Yeah, the whole record thing is basically silly & QBs get way too much credit & blame for records regardless. I just thought it was a fun Tweet. Cousins is going to be 29 before the next season starts, though, so it's hard to pretend he's some young prospect with a lot of upside for improvement. He's 6 months younger than Matt Stafford.

Rodgers was 27 when he started his 41st game (obviously the closest comparable, but watching Rodgers play was never like watching Cousins play).
Brees was 25 when he started his 41st game.
Peyton was 24 when he started his 41st game.

& you're obviously excluding Rape/Brady/etc. from that sample.
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02-24-2017 , 07:52 PM
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Official complete draft order, including compensatory picks is out:

Round 1NFL teamNote
1Cleveland Browns 
2San Francisco 49ers 
3Chicago Bears 
4Jacksonville Jaguars 
5Tennessee TitansVia Rams
6New York Jets 
7Los Angeles Chargers 
8Carolina Panthers 
9Cincinnati Bengals 
10Buffalo Bills 
11New Orleans Saints 
12Cleveland BrownsVia Eagles
13Arizona Cardinals 
14Indianapolis ColtsCoin Flip
15Philadelphia EaglesCoin Flip Via Vikings
16Baltimore Ravens 
17Washington Redskins 
18Tennessee Titans 
19Tampa Bay Buccaneers 
20Denver Broncos 
21Detroit Lions 
22Miami Dolphins 
23New York Giants 
24Oakland Raiders 
25Houston Texans 
26Seattle Seahawks 
27Kansas City Chiefs 
28Dallas Cowboys 
29Green Bay Packers 
30Pittsburgh Steelers 
31Atlanta Falcons 
32New England Patriots 
Round 2NFL teamNote
33Cleveland Browns 
34San Francisco 49ers 
35Jacksonville Jaguars 
36Chicago Bears 
37Los Angeles Rams 
38Los Angeles Chargers 
39New York Jets 
40Carolina Panthers 
41Cincinnati Bengals 
42Philadelphia Eagles 
43Buffalo Bills 
44New Orleans Saints 
45Arizona Cardinals 
46Baltimore Ravens 
47Indianapolis ColtsCoin Flip
48Minnesota VikingsCoin Flip
49Washington Redskins 
50Denver Broncos 
51Cleveland BrownsVia Titans
52Tampa Bay Buccaneers 
53Detroit Lions 
54Miami Dolphins 
55New York Giants 
56Oakland Raiders 
57Houston Texans 
58Seattle Seahawks 
59Kansas City Chiefs 
60Dallas Cowboys 
61Green Bay Packers 
62Pittsburgh Steelers 
63Atlanta Falcons 
64New England Patriots 
Round 3NFL teamNote
65Cleveland Browns 
66San Francisco 49ers 
67Chicago Bears 
68Jacksonville Jaguars 
69Tennessee TitansVia Rams
70New York Jets 
71Los Angeles Chargers 
72Carolina Panthers 
73Cincinnati Bengals 
74New Orleans Saints 
75Philadelphia Eagles 
76Buffalo Bills 
77Arizona Cardinals 
78Indianapolis ColtsCoin Flip
79Baltimore Ravens 
80Minnesota VikingsCoin Flip
81Washington Redskins 
82Tampa Bay Buccaneers 
83Denver Broncos 
84Tennessee Titans 
85Detroit Lions 
86Minnesota VikingsVia Dolphins
87New York Giants 
88Oakland Raiders 
89Houston Texans 
90Seattle Seahawks 
91Kansas City Chiefs 
92Dallas Cowboys 
93Green Bay Packers 
94Pittsburgh Steelers 
95Atlanta Falcons 
96New England Patriots 
97Miami DolphinsCompensatory Pick
98Carolina PanthersCompensatory Pick
99Baltimore RavensCompensatory Pick
100Los Angeles RamsCompensatory Pick
101Denver BroncosCompensatory Pick
102Seattle SeahawksCompensatory Pick
103Cleveland BrownsCompensatory Pick
104Kansas City ChiefsCompensatory Pick
105Pittsburgh SteelersCompensatory Pick
106Seattle SeahawksCompensatory Pick
107New York JetsCompensatory Pick
Round 4NFL teamNote
108Cleveland Browns 
109San Francisco 49ers 
110Jacksonville Jaguars 
111Chicago Bears 
112Los Angeles Rams 
113Los Angeles Chargers 
114Washington RedskinsVia Jets
115Carolina Panthers 
116Cincinnati Bengals 
117Chicago BearsVia Bills
118New Orleans Saints 
119Philadelphia Eagles 
120Arizona Cardinals 
121Indianapolis ColtsCoin Flip
122Minnesota VikingsCoin Flip
123Baltimore Ravens 
124Washington Redskins 
125Tennessee Titans 
126Tampa Bay Buccaneers 
127Denver Broncos 
128Detroit Lions 
129Minnesota VikingsVia Dolphins
130Oakland Raiders 
131Houston Texans 
–New England PatriotsForfeited Via Seahawks
132Kansas City Chiefs 
133Dallas Cowboys 
134Green Bay Packers 
135Pittsburgh Steelers 
136Atlanta Falcons 
137New England Patriots 
138New York GiantsMoved to end of Round 4
139Cincinnati BengalsCompensatory Pick
140Cleveland BrownsCompensatory Pick
141Los Angeles RamsCompensatory Pick
142Cleveland BrownsCompensatory Pick
143San Francisco 49ersCompensatory Pick
144Indianapolis ColtsCompensatory Pick
Round 5NFL teamNote
145Cleveland Browns 
146San Francisco 49ers 
147Chicago Bears 
148Jacksonville Jaguars 
149Los Angeles Rams 
150New York Jets 
151Los Angeles Chargers 
152Carolina Panthers 
153Cincinnati Bengals 
154Philadelphia Eagles 
155Buffalo Bills 
156Washington RedskinsVia Saints
157Arizona Cardinals 
158Baltimore Ravens 
159Indianapolis ColtsCoin Flip
160Minnesota VikingsCoin Flip
161Washington Redskins 
162New England PatriotsVia Broncos
163Tennessee Titans 
164Tampa Bay Buccaneers 
165Detroit Lions 
166Miami Dolphins 
167New York Giants 
168Oakland Raiders 
169Houston Texans 
–Seattle SeahawksForeited
170Kansas City Chiefs 
171Buffalo BillsVia Cowboys
172Green Bay Packers 
173Pittsburgh Steelers 
174Atlanta Falcons 
175Cleveland BrownsVia Patriots
176Cincinnati BengalsCompensatory Pick
177Denver BroncosCompensatory Pick
178Miami DolphinsCompensatory Pick
179Arizona CardinalsCompensatory Pick
180Kansas City ChiefsCompensatory Pick
181Cleveland BrownsCompensatory Pick
182Green Bay PackersCompensatory Pick
183New England PatriotsCompensatory Pick
184Miami DolphinsCompensatory Pick
Round 6NFL teamNote
185Cleveland Browns 
186San Francisco 49ers 
187Jacksonville Jaguars 
188Houston TexansVia Bears
189Los Angeles Rams 
190Los Angeles Chargers 
191New York Jets 
192Carolina Panthers 
193Cincinnati Bengals 
194New Orleans Saints 
195Philadelphia Eagles 
196Buffalo Bills 
197Arizona Cardinals 
198Indianapolis ColtsCoin Flip
199Baltimore Ravens 
200Minnesota VikingsCoin Flip
201Washington Redskins 
202Tampa Bay Buccaneers 
203San Francisco 49ersVia Broncos
204Denver BroncosVia Titans
205Detroit Lions 
206Miami Dolphins 
207New York Giants 
208Oakland Raiders 
209Washington RedskinsVia Texans
210Seattle Seahawks 
–Kansas City ChiefsForeited
211Dallas Cowboys 
212Green Bay Packers 
213Pittsburgh Steelers 
214Atlanta Falcons 
215New England Patriots 
216Kansas City ChiefsCompensatory Pick
217Cincinnati BengalsCompensatory Pick
218Kansas City ChiefsCompensatory Pick
Round 7NFL teamNote
219San Francisco 49ersVia Browns
220San Francisco 49ers 
221Chicago Bears 
222Jacksonville Jaguars 
223Los Angeles Rams 
224New York Jets 
225Los Angeles Chargers 
226Seattle SeahawksVia Panthers
227Cincinnati Bengals 
228Dallas CowboysVia Bills
229New Orleans Saints 
230Philadelphia Eagles 
231Arizona Cardinals 
232Carolina PanthersCoin Flip Via Colts
233Minnesota VikingsCoin Flip
234Baltimore Ravens 
235Washington Redskins 
236Tennessee Titans 
237Tampa Bay Buccaneers 
238Denver Broncos 
239Detroit Lions 
240Miami Dolphins 
241New York Giants 
242Oakland Raiders 
243Houston Texans 
244Seattle Seahawks 
245Kansas City Chiefs 
246Dallas Cowboys 
247Green Bay Packers 
248Pittsburgh Steelers 
249Atlanta Falcons 
250New England Patriots 
251Cincinnati BengalsCompensatory Pick
252Denver BroncosCompensatory Pick
253Denver BroncosCompensatory Pick
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02-24-2017 , 10:34 PM
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Comp picks are a positive?

Yay or nay
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02-24-2017 , 11:00 PM
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What do you mean? Positive in what sense?
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02-24-2017 , 11:03 PM
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They reward smart teams & punish bad ones. Not sure if that's good or bad.
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02-25-2017 , 12:54 AM
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Titans get pick 100, not 69 from the Rams now. Rams only needed to send the titans a 3rd.

I believe Rams also get pick 236 from Ten.

That chart is not updated with traded picks but god help anyone that tries to do it especially in rounds 6/7.

Philly gets 139 from the browns (giants # just ahead of them needs to get moved to the bottom of the list, whatever I don't want to waste time on this, I'm sure wikipedia has this done already)
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02-25-2017 , 01:45 AM
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Titans get pick 100, not 69 from the Rams now. Rams only needed to send the titans a 3rd.

I believe Rams also get pick 236 from Ten.

That chart is not updated with traded picks but god help anyone that tries to do it especially in rounds 6/7.

Philly gets 139 from the browns (giants # just ahead of them needs to get moved to the bottom of the list, whatever I don't want to waste time on this, I'm sure wikipedia has this done already)
Yah, I just copy & pasted from some website. Noticed after it didn't show Browns/Pats Collins trade & some other things. I expect better from the internet, my bad.
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02-25-2017 , 01:24 PM
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Saw Ravens have some interest in Marshall if he gets cut. Seems like a really good fit. Ravens need a #1 WR badly and have had good success bringing in veterans in the Newsome era (Mason, Boldin, Smith and even Wallace I think was OK this year given his previous few seasons)

Don't really see any other teams with decent QB's that would give Marshall the targets/role he would want.
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02-25-2017 , 01:28 PM
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02-25-2017 , 01:49 PM
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He's only good for a year in the lockerroom so has to be a WR away type of team to even think about it. Seattle, New England. He always killed Seattle at least. Minnesota though they need OT's far worse. KC doesn't have the money.
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02-25-2017 , 02:01 PM
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Both Seattle and NE have plenty of pass catchers though. He could go to B'more and have a primary role. Carolina is the other 1 that makes sense. Maybe Philly?

I think Minnesota wants to re-sign Thielen and yeah they have other needs after that.
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02-25-2017 , 02:18 PM
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The fact that Brandon Marshall has never made the playoffs is so weird and amazing.
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02-25-2017 , 04:12 PM
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Jets cut Mangold, save 9M

Maybe they keep Marshall. Didn't him and Cutler have a falling out in Chicago though?
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02-25-2017 , 05:50 PM
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I meant, are comp picks good for the nfl?

1. They should stay as they are
2. Remove them entirely
3. Rework the system
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02-25-2017 , 06:11 PM
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Remove comp picks obviously. Why teams get anything but scorn for letting good players go is beyond me.
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02-25-2017 , 06:15 PM
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Jets cut Mangold, save 9M

Maybe they keep Marshall. Didn't him and Cutler have a falling out in Chicago though?
Marshall has a falling out with everyone he's played more than a year with.

Yeah I can't imagine them keeping marshall and picking up cutler, that'd be incredible

Cutler does like Buffalo's OC tho from their denver days. It's pretty rare cutler actually likes a coach too. That's the best guess as to where he ends up for me.
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02-26-2017 , 02:51 PM
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I meant, are comp picks good for the nfl?

1. They should stay as they are
2. Remove them entirely
3. Rework the system
So teams that don't overpay for their own FAs and don't overspend on other teams' get a reward. I don't see this as a bad thing for anyone involved. Want more comp. picks, be smarter.
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02-26-2017 , 04:42 PM
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It's bad for the players, as it must put downward pressure on FA salaries?
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02-26-2017 , 04:49 PM
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It's bad for the players, as it must put downward pressure on FA salaries?
Is this really true tho? I mean the best Comp pick available is a 3rd, which is good but not good enough not spending for a legit player in FA
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02-27-2017 , 01:34 PM
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Da Bears doing some Browns level tanking?

2015 Bears star offensive skill position players-
QB: Jay Cutler
RB: Matt Forte
WR: Brandon Marshall/Alshon Jeffery
TE: Martellus Bennett

2017 Bears star offensive skill position players
QB: ???
RB: Jordan Howard
WR: ???
TE: ???

Like every Bears offensive star skill position player has left/is leaving the organization. This is some 49ers-level meltdown stuff
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02-27-2017 , 01:39 PM
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well all those guys except jeffery are pretty old and not even good anymore
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02-27-2017 , 01:40 PM
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Well, most of those guys are old and/or Cutler, but moving on from Alshon seems a bit weird.

I saw they were planning on not tagging him & he was likely to resign elsewhere.
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02-27-2017 , 01:56 PM
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bears should sign RG3 and tank. I got RG3 as the all-time GOAT tanking QB since he could possibly sell some tickets while being horrendous
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02-27-2017 , 03:25 PM
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Franchise tag reports coming in hot and heavy. Nothing too surprising. Short, Berry, Jones...

Only nugget that surprised me today is that Kenny Stills is looking at 12M a year. Think about that next time you argue that the Skins would be better off pocketing the 18-20M a year in savings by letting Cousins go. Savings would just end up going to contracts like that.
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