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12-19-2008 , 10:56 PM
Chmura is a good pick, but he wasn't a great blocker imo(read the contemporary sources). The "great" blocking TEs are usually undersized Offensive Tackles and frequently the #2 TE on their team. Great receiving TEs are rarely great or even very good blockers, although just being average or a bit below gives them a lot of value.

Edited to sound less harsh lol.
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12-19-2008 , 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeff W
Chmura is a good pick, but he wasn't a great blocker imo(read the contemporary sources). The "great" blocking TEs are usually undersized Offensive Tackles and frequently the #2 TE on their team. Great receiving TEs are rarely great or even very good blockers, although just being average or a bit below gives them a lot of value.

Edited to sound less harsh lol.
Yeah, I addressed some of these points in my follow-up post. I definitely plan on adding a "mauler" TE later, but there are so many of those guys that I can wait on collecting one of them. I felt like I needed a TE soon, and Chmura was the highest value TE on the board. He's def not an all-out mauler, but I feel like he's a better blocker than most TEs that have gone so far.
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12-19-2008 , 11:03 PM
Can't wait to start shaking things up with my next two picks.
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12-19-2008 , 11:07 PM
Was looking at Chumara :/

I guess it's a good thing because I should go in another direction anyway.
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12-19-2008 , 11:32 PM
I was considering Chmura when I decided on Holman

anyway, I am going with



MLB Kirk Morrison

might have the writeup tonight, might not
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12-19-2008 , 11:51 PM
Damn, I wanted both Chmura and Morrison and was hoping one of them would slip to the next round. I had a nice article all lined up too about Chmura's blocking to try and boost his value, link below if you want to reference it Zimmer.

http://www2.jsonline.com/packer/news...id25092499.asp

Last edited by Dudd; 12-19-2008 at 11:53 PM. Reason: Now that I flip back a page I see you already had it, but again for posterity
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12-19-2008 , 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Dudd
Damn, I wanted both Chmura and Morrison and was hoping one of them would slip to the next round. I had a nice article all lined up too about Chmura's blocking to try and boost his value, link below if you want to reference it Zimmer.

http://www2.jsonline.com/packer/news...id25092499.asp
Well, somebody didn't read the writeup
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12-19-2008 , 11:55 PM
Yeah, I just clicked on the last page and saw a Chmura discussion happening and posted the one link I had saved, lol.
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12-20-2008 , 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by nath
I was considering Chmura when I decided on Holman

anyway, I am going with



MLB Kirk Morrison

might have the writeup tonight, might not
very nice pick
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12-20-2008 , 12:40 AM
Hmm, didn't realize it was my pick.

I'd be willing to trade down in an attempt to not hold things up or I'll need an hour or so.
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12-20-2008 , 12:43 AM
We'll trade up.
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12-20-2008 , 12:46 AM
Scratch that, I found someone I want to make sure I grab here.

I'll just go ahead and do my writeup unless SL_72 is around.
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12-20-2008 , 01:19 AM
Round 19, Pick 594 - Tony Richardson, FB





Awards & Recognition

- 4 Time Pro Bowler (2003-2005, 2007)
- 2 Time All Pro (2004, 2007)

With this pick, I'm going with current Jets FB, Tony Richardson. Richardson is known for being one of the best blocking FB's of all time as he has helped open holes for running backs such as Marcus Allen, Larry Johnson, Priest Holmes, Adrian Peterson, and now undrafted Jets RB.

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"It makes a humongous difference when you have a fullback like Tony Richardson in front of you -- Undrafted Jets RB
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: Extremely versatile lead blocker. Richardson has solid pass protection skills, easily finds defenders in space to block and is known as an excellent receiver from the backfield. Richardson understand leverage extremely well and his athleticism is readily apparent in open space. Best used on iso blocks. In pass protection, Richardson’s placement is excellent and he routinely finishes of rushers. When touching the ball, Richardson is best used as a receiver out of the backfield. As Fullbacks are largely checkdown options, Richardson has intuitive skills to find weak seams in zone coverage. In man coverage, Richardson runs crisp routes.
Unfortunately, I can't find much information on Richardson when he was with the Chiefs, but I do remember he received a lot of praise for his blocking and how he helped Priest Holmes greatly, which ironically he'll be doing for my team when he's on the field.

Team So Far:

QB: Tony Romo
RB: Priest Holmes
FB: Tony Richardson
WR: Muhsin Muhammad
WR: Jake Reed

LT: Flozell Adams
C: LeCharles Bentley
RG: Davin Jospeh
RT: Ryan Diem

DE: Bruce Smith
NT: Jamal Williams
DE: Luis Castillo

SLB: Terrell Suggs
ILB: Sam Mills
ILB: Junior Seau

CB: Terry McDaniel
CB: Eric Davis
FS: Eric Turner
SS: Darren Woodson
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12-20-2008 , 01:27 AM
Richardson is great value here I thought he should have gone a bit earlier for fullback teams.
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12-20-2008 , 01:28 AM
Ugh I'm deciding between like 7 guys and I'm 1 pick away fml
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12-20-2008 , 01:42 AM
Im surprised Richardson was still left on the board, considering the other FBs that went. Nice pick imo.
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12-20-2008 , 01:49 AM
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Im surprised Richardson was still left on the board, considering the other FBs that went. Nice pick imo.
IDK, Richardson is really the third true blocking FB off the board behind Johnston and Neal, Centers and Allstott weren't really true blocking FBs.
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12-20-2008 , 02:01 AM
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+1. Family is clearly more important than this draft so take your time with whatever you need.
+2

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IDK, Richardson is really the third true blocking FB off the board behind Johnston and Neal, Centers and Allstott weren't really true blocking FBs.
thats my point though - why take a FB so high if he is not great at what his position is really there for? Alstott in particular was a terrible blocker and was more know for his 'punching in ability'...and for that - they couldve just drafted a RB like the Bus or a couple of other undrafted RBs (who would bring a better running game, better recieving game and not so bad of a blocking game to the table.)
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12-20-2008 , 02:05 AM
Is anyone interested in trading down at the end of this round or one of their double picks if they are at the top of next round? Let me know.
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12-20-2008 , 02:34 AM
I suppose that is true to an extent. It depends how many teams draft fullbacks. I've decided to go with a 2 tight end set instead. Spreading the field with receivers just seems like terrible strategy in this hypothetical league. At least in a traditional formation. Some quicker spread offenses could work too (as a package). By work I mean not fail quite as often as other offenses.
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12-20-2008 , 03:02 AM
then....isnt it fair to say that the Olines were facing lesser competition in the NFL as well? It goes both ways. If youre going to knock rushers for going against weaker Olines - then you have to knock Olines going agaisnt weaker rushers.

great Oline should not get more credit than a great pass rush...though I dont thnk it is...in fact - on second thought - I think it may be the other way around in this league.
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12-20-2008 , 03:04 AM
I think when I draft a 3rd WR and 2nd TE I may decide to run a high percentage spread formation some amount of the time. McNair is definitely familiar with both types of offenses, his career is a bit strange in that for most of it he was a standard I-Formation scrambling threat and then Tennessee decided to run something of a spread offense for a few years.
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12-20-2008 , 07:30 AM
Round 19, Pick 593
Kirk Morrison, LB
(2007 or 2008, age 25 or 26)






Well, Kirk Morrison is ****ing awesome and underrated. I was pissed in round 16 when Barrett Ruud, Jon Beason, and Al Smith failed to fall to me, but frankly, the guy I'm getting now isn't far behind-- if he is at all. He's currently in his fourth season, and I would like to elaborate on how ****ing awesome and underrated he's been in that time.

Let's look at the numbers. He's been among the league leaders in tackles since he came into the league (his lowest ranking in total tackles since he came into the league was 18th-- and he primarily played that year as an OLB. Since then, he's been top 12 in total tackles and top 8 in solo tackles every year. In 2008, he ranks 4th in both). He also had 4 INTs and 10 passes defensed in 2007, great numbers for a MLB. He can cover the zone like we'll need him to.

If these traditional stats aren't enough for you, don't worry. Your mind will be blown soon.

I found an article in the Washington Post by Doug Farrar of Football Outsiders that uses some advanced metrics to evaluate linebackers, and comes up with glowing reviews for Morrison.

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Stop Rate: The percentage of plays involving the defender that are Stops. We define Stops as plays that prevent offensive success -- defined as 45 percent of needed yards on first down, 60 percent on second down, and 100 percent on third or fourth down);
Morrison was 5th in stop rate in 2007, at 65%.

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Defeats: The total number of plays that stop the offense from gaining first down yardage on third or fourth down, stop the offense behind the line of scrimmage, or result in a fumble or interception.
Morrison led the league in defeats last season. He was third in stops + defeats, behind Patrick Willis and D.J. Williams, and ahead of Ray Lewis and Lofa Tatupu.

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And, lowest Adjusted Yards Per Pass with 30 or more targets:
Morrison is 5th.

Morrison is a playmaker. He stops the run and the pass on a team where he isn't getting much help doing either. The tackle numbers might be attributable to "only good player in the front 7", but the rest are the sign of a player who can actually play. And a guy who makes plays for a dysfunctional, undertalented team will thrive on a team less insanely run, where he has other real players on his defense.

So I'm getting a guy who's a top playmaker against the run, who personally forces a high number of defeats and has a great stop rate, and can cover the pass! He's gonna get the job done, and we're surrounding him with so much talent here that he'll have ample opportunity to make those plays.

I expect him to adjust well to whatever play is happening. If Kevin Williams is eating up blockers, I expect Kirk Morrison to make the play. If Tim Krumrie fires through a gap and gets upfield, I expect Morrison to be able to back him up in case he takes himself out of the play. I expect him to cover well, and I expect him to stuff the run when it's brought.

He's never made a Pro Bowl. **** those things anyway.

He's unheralded and underrated. He needs a team of real players to show what he can really do. Kirk Morrison, this is your time to shine.

TEAM




KEY

WR1 Anthony Carter - Vikings, 81, 1987-1988 (age 27)
LT Jim Lachey - Redskins, 79, 1990 (age 27)
LG Dave Szott - Chiefs, 79, 1997 (age 30)
C Dermontti Dawson - Steelers, 63, 1994 (age 29)
RG Logan Mankins - Patriots, 70, 2008 (age 26)
RT Orlando Brown - Ravens, 77, 1998 (age 28)
TE Rodney Holman - Bengals, 82, 1989 (age 29)
WR2 Drew Hill - Oilers, 85, 1987 (age 31)

QB Joe Montana - 49ers, 16, 1989 (age 33)
RB
FB


LDE Kyle Vanden Bosch - Titans, 93, 2007 (age 29)
DT Kevin Williams - Vikings, 93, 2008 (age 28)
NT Tim Krumrie - Bengals, 69, 1988 (age 28)
RDE Michael Sinclair - Seahawks, 70, 1997 (age 29)
LLB Darryl Talley - Bills, 56, 1991 (age 31)
MLB Kirk Morrison - Raiders, 52, 2007/2008 (age 25/26)
RLB Dexter Coakley - Cowboys, 52, 2001 (age 29)
LCB Albert Lewis - Chiefs, 29, 1986 (age 26)
RCB Ronde Barber - Buccaneers, 20, 2001 (age 26)
SS Robert Griffith - Vikings, 24, 1998-1999 (age 28)
FS Mark Kelso - Bills, 38, 1988 (age 25)
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12-20-2008 , 09:59 AM
<3 morrison, true that he's underrated because the rest of our defence, asomugha aside, sucks.

that, and the offence.
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12-20-2008 , 03:22 PM
Round 19 Pick 584 Wayne Chrebet WR



Wayne Chrebet was not drafted by any NFL team at all. He was a walkon in Jets camp in 1995, and was Wide Receiver # 11 out of 11 on the depth chart. After an outstanding Preseason he made the team.

At one time he was nicknamed “The Green Lantern” because Keyshawn Johnson once said comparing him to Chrebet is like comparing a flashlight to a star. His most common nickname is “Mr Third Down”. An amazing 379 of his 580 career receptions were third down conversions. He was really never the #1 wide receiver on his team but was always the guy they went to when they needed a first down. And he always came through. And he played hard, always getting the extra yard for the first down

His rookie year of 1995, he had 66 catches for 726 yards. His next year, he had 84 catches for 909 yards. In 1998, he had 75 catches for 1083. In 2000, he had 69 catches for 937 yards. All in all, he had over 50 catches in 7 of his 1st 8 years (only 48 in 1999 due to only playing 11 games), and averaged 12.7 yards per reception in his career. He also has 19 catches in 5 playoff games, including the Jan 17 1999 AFC championship game where he had 8 catches for 120 yards in a loss and a 2 TD wildcard game on Jan 12, 2002.

I think Chrebet is very similar to Wes Welker, who went 120 picks earlier. He never made the probowl because he was never considered the # 1 receiver on his team, yet he put up probowl numbers, and his 3rd down conversions show how incredibly clutch he was. He will be my slot receiver when I go into passing formations on 3rd down --- which will give me targets of Chad Johnson, Anthony Miller, Wayne Chrebet, Jay Novacek, and Moose Johnston in those situations. Wayne is a team player that will be perfect on my team

I will take him at 25 years old in his 1998 season.
My team

QB - Kurt Warner
RB - Eric Dickerson
FB - Moose Johnston
WR - Chad "OchoCinco" Johnson
WR - Anthony Miller
WR - Wayne Chrebet
TE - Jay Novacek
LT - Tra Thomas
LG - Marco Rivera
C - Jeff Saturday
RG
RT - Vernon Carey

DE - Trace Armstrong
DT - Bill Maas
DT -
DE - Hugh Douglas
OLB - Andre Tippett
MLB - Stephen Boyd
OLB
CB - Terrell Buckley
CB -
FS - Wes Hopkins
SS - Eugene Robinson
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