Also, while everyone is waiting, enter my sports quiz in POG.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/59...-peehs-360481/

start PMing people. I dont' have time right now to do it but it seems to atleast do a decent job of speeding things up. Luckylloyd usually answers quickly after you send him an email through his profile.

I already pm'd lloyd. No need to flood his mailbox.

iI already entered really wanted to put kevin mchale as best lowpost moves evar but figured only ppl who read the nba draft thread would put it

Round 16 Pick #496
Cato June





Im not yet sure how Lamar is going to fit into my defense, but I do know what Cato June will add to it; excellent coverage ability. From 04-06 June racked up 10 INTs for the Colts. Five of which came in 2005 where he made the pro bowl. In 2006 he led the Colts in tackles (96) during their superbowl run. He signed with the bucs in 2007 where he continues to excel.

I'll be taking June in 2005 where he was at his peak imo. He should give a signifigant boost to our pass defense which is definately needed at this point.

Team:
QB - Tom Brady

RB
WR - Plaxico Burress
WR
WR
TE - Todd Heap
OT - Chris Samuels
OG - Alan Faneca
C
OG - Shawn Andrews
OT - Cody Risien


DE - Patrick Kerney
DT - La'Roi Glover
DT - Tommie Harris
DE - Aaron Schobel
OLB - Cato June
MLB - DeMeco Ryans
OLB - Lamar Lathon
CB - Marcus Trufant
S - Troy Polamalu
S - Roy Williams
CB

Also, im just going to reiterate that Aaron schobel is on the trading block. PM if your interested

costanza: Sucks that you got saddled with Roy Williams... imo you want a safety who is sound in coverage to pair with Polamalu and allow him to freelance in a rover role. Instead, Polamalu has to play cleanup(he has been effective in this role as well, but it's not what he was drafted for) for the wildman Williams.

Someone probably said that already, but I just noticed it.

costanza, are you going to play a 3-4 or a 4-3?

He has 2 DT, 2 DE already.

I know, but if he's willing to shop Aaron Schobel, I was thinking he might play Harris at NT, Glover and Kerney at DE, Lathon at OLB then Ryans and June inside or something.

I don't want to monoplize the thread with Matt Ryan talk, so I've decided to heavily multiquote so that people just need to skip one post if they want to avoid this debate.....




I agree with you fully here. This is a big risk. It could give me one of the best QBs in the draft. It could give me one of the worst. Imo after watching Ryan play he was worth that risk. Thats just my honest opinion.


I have 4 o-linemen now and I'm much closer to the best than the worst o-line imo.

Ryan Clady was a steal. Needle will back me up here in saying that hes just playing out of his mind this year(and like with Ryan, I can take him as late as possible in this draft age wise).

I've already gone into detail about Haselrig and I don't want to make people start to dislike the pick due to me mentioning it too much, but come on...his coach is on record as saying that he was the best linemen they had that year and they had Dawson who went in the 2nd round of this draft. In a peak league, hes a great pick imo. Like EpiPen said, I think people are guilty of equating the round a player was selected in with their value and thats foolish imo.

Donaldson was widely regarded as the 2nd best center of the 80s. I don't really know a ton about him, but it appears as if hes really solid.

Steinbach has been a pro bowl alternate for 3 straight years and just got a huge contract with the Browns....I think its widely accepted that hes not a superstar but is very good and consistent.



agreed, I don't care about winning in the eyes of everyone else as much as I care about winning in my own eyes(hopefully that makes sense). And even more than that I value the discussion and debate that I can learn from.


I know...theres a reason why I was hesitant to fully post my thoughts on Ryan. I fully realize everyone will "LOL" at them, so I don't even really want to go into detail. Lets just say that I'm absolutely blown away by Ryan so far.


Yes I 100% do. For example, I had Romo and thought he was better than a few QBs who went in front of him...and I think Ryan is better than Romo right now. I thought the same thing 2 days ago when Romo was on my team and Ryan was still undrafted, so you can't say I'm being biased.



I think I disagree, although I'm not 100% sure. Imo playing with my offensive cast against the average defenses in this league will be easier than playing with the Falcons supporting cast against regular NFL defenses. I only say this because I've concentrated so much on offense in this draft.


+1


No, I havn't lost my mind. If I had lost my mind I wouldn't be admitting that I expected everyone to disagree with me. I fully understand that I'm in the huge minority here. As I said, I've only ever made these type of statements and been in such a small minority one time before and that was early in Tom Brady's career. Its not like I do this all the time(although I'm not at all claiming that because I was right about Brady that means I'll be right here, as thats horrible logic).



Sounds good. Other than you using college games as a means to discredit a player(and especially college games which contributed to him being the 3rd overall pick....I mean, if you're going to use that logic then how much must you discredit Brady for only playing well enough in college to merit a 7th round selection??!!), I think this is a very reasonable post.



Appears you're totally right. My mistake.



Jeez, you're annoying. No I did not use that quote to say he was the best pick. I used a ton of quotes. Why don't you go read the actual writeup and discuss the points made. I gave plenty of quotes from his Steelers days including from Ilkin, his pro bowl teamate on the o-line.

this is what you just said

"I've already gone into detail about Haselrig and I don't want to make people start to dislike the pick due to me mentioning it too much, but come on...his coach is on record as saying that he was the best linemen they had that year and they had Dawson who went in the 2nd round of this draft."

Believe it or not, Glover actually played NT for the cowboys one year.

Anyway, it would be very strange to rearrange the defensive front. He has three badass upfield players.

oh and im not hating on the pick i just thought it was funny that it was included in your writeup and good to see youve mastered the multiquote, no more assani carpet bombs

O RLY????

LOL I'm annoying? In this very post you still use that quote to defend the pick when you blatantly misinterpreted the quote. You claimed he was THE BEST PICK IN THE DRAFT and your main evidence (you've brought up that quote at least 3 times in this thread) was a quote which you conveniently left out the entire statement which shows the coach to be saying something MUCH different than what you have been saying to us.

Huge LOL at you.

And this is what I just said in the post directly above yours:


"Appears you're totally right. My mistake."



I gave many more quotes than that one in my writeup. That one quote was definitely not vital to my overall argument.

Franchise,

Please stop using "LOL@ you" type of arguments. Its very demeaning and obnoxious. I have absolutely no desire to debate with you due to your posting style. Sorry.

lololol you've used that quote numerous times and it is by far the most positive quote in your write up. It was also the one piece of evidence you used to say why he was THE BEST PICK IN THE DRAFT. It was your go to quote, and it was complete BS.

But yea, I'm annoying. LOL at you for turning this on me.

lol at you.

You called me annoying for calling you out on EXACTLY what you said, and you have the audacity to lie and say you said no such thing. And there it is, right there above me.

You have no desire to debate it because you are 100% wrong. Got any more quotes you can cook up for us? Make sure to only post half of it so you can spin it anyway you like.

5-3-3 imo

I wish more people aimed to use a non-standard scheme(5-3-3 would be really bad in this league, tho lol). For example Big Nickel type defenses-- 4-2-5 with a third safety is a cool idea in this league. Actually, I'd like to hear more about what schemes people are using in general--the skeletons for both sides of the ball should be in place for most teams by now. I get the feeling that many picks are just plugging in "best player available" without regard for the player's fit.

btw Assani good work messing up this thread by picking Matt Ryan. The more I read what you post, the more it seems that you made this pick just to generate controversy and consequently piss everybody off.

Nah if he wanted to be controversial there's a way better pick at QB, I'm still hoping someone takes him because it will be hilarious to argue over him.

Is he unstoppable?