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11-24-2008 , 09:38 PM

#10051

SuperUberBob

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Originally Posted by AC-Cobra

lol no

1) On comparable playing time, Cassel and Sorgi looked just as bad.

But Sorgi has a higher QB efficiency than Peyton lol

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11-24-2008 , 09:39 PM

#10052

mjw0586

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I think this year has reinforced how great Brady truly is. Cassell is the most sacked QB in the league. Shows how underrated Tom Brady's pocket presence is, imo. Cassell has played well, but he routinely misses open WR's including Randy Moss on deep balls. Just makes you appreciate Brady, because he just doesn't miss those guys.

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Originally Posted by NopairParker

is what cassell is doing pretty much re inforce that peyton is better than brady

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11-24-2008 , 09:40 PM

#10053

vixticator

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Shows how awesome Welker and Moss are and the oline. NE offense is loaded, somehow I doubt Cassel would succeed with the 2000-2005 pats offense.

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11-24-2008 , 09:43 PM

#10054

nath

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Originally Posted by EPiPeN11

great pick was shocked he fell (and was the guy who I said was better than vanden bosch)

I considered him pretty strongly before going with Vanden Bosch. I think it's basically a push and depends on personal preference. I do realize I could have probably gotten him later but I also had my top guys snatched out from under me and didn't feel anyone stood out in terms of marginal value-- so I took a guy I knew I wanted.

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11-24-2008 , 09:44 PM

#10055

capone0

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Originally Posted by mjw0586

Cassel has only been sacked 6 times in the last 4 weeks. He's also thrown 2 400 yard games in the last 2 weeks, Brady's career he has 1 400 yd game. The team and Cassel have adjusted and they've looked more than fine the last couple of weeks offensively.

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11-24-2008 , 09:46 PM

#10056

AC-Cobra

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Clearly what I meant was Cassel>Brady>Manning

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11-24-2008 , 09:49 PM

#10057

Franchise 60

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The team went from probably best team ever to 2nd best team in their division and fighting for a playoff spot and we are going to knock Brady because Cassell has been doing good?

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11-24-2008 , 09:52 PM

#10058

capone0

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Definitely not. They were only out of 2 games and could be 9-2 right now. I think Brady is very good but the system they got running now makes a gimp QB look like a pro bowler. But 10 good players surrounding 1 good / great player usually can outweigh the one great / good player. They have a system they are running where they can draft middling QBs in college and produce very good results. Brady was a 6th round pick and he now a certain HOFer and Cassel doesn't need to improve much if he were to stay in NE to be a PB level QB.

Last edited by capone0; 11-24-2008 at 09:59 PM.

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11-24-2008 , 09:59 PM

#10059

vixticator

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Cassel runs their spread pretty effectively but (I didn't see yesterday's game yet) has a really weak arm and is awful at deep ball accuracy whereas Brady is godly, hence greatest offense all time versus now with Cassel just good (maybe really good?).

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11-24-2008 , 10:09 PM

#10060

Franchise 60

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Originally Posted by capone0

I think the difference between Tom Brady2007/Cassell2008 and 2007 Pats O/2008 Pats O is way bigger than you do I guess.

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11-24-2008 , 10:10 PM

#10061

Dr. Zoidberg

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Schobel's overrated. Doesn't get as much pressure on the QB as you'd think. Get some garbage sacks here and there which make his numbers look better. Not very stout against the run either. I wish we could dump his contract, but we're stuck with him for a while.

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11-24-2008 , 10:11 PM

#10062

MacGuyV

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Originally Posted by Dr. Zoidberg

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11-24-2008 , 10:15 PM

#10063

capone0

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Originally Posted by Franchise 60

I think the difference between Tom Brady2007/Cassell2008 and 2007 Pats O/2008 Pats O is way bigger than you do I guess.

He never played a snap before the season with the starting unit. He has needed some time to adjust. Yes Brady is great, can hit the great throws and is definitely better than Cassel but Cassel's first 10 games are eerrily similar to Brady's first 10 in a Pats uniform. I'd expect Brady in his 8th year to be better especially since Cassel hasn't played since HS. They are averaging 24.5 points a game this year vs 38~ last year so obviously their is a difference but 10 other offensive players are definitely going to outweigh the 1.

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11-24-2008 , 10:28 PM

#10064

vixticator

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Originally Posted by capone0

Cassel's first 10 games are eerrily similar to Brady's first 10 in a Pats uniform. I'd expect Brady in his 8th year to be better especially since Cassel hasn't played since HS.

wat. Brady didn't get to play with Moss and [oops], you cannot compare the situations. Damn too late to edit my first post.

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11-24-2008 , 10:28 PM

#10065

capone0

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Cassel was absolutely horrible to begin with and has gotten better. He's basically a 4th year rookie. My point isn't that Cassel is on par with Brady, it's that the system they run is very good.

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11-24-2008 , 10:29 PM

#10066

capone0

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Originally Posted by vixticator

wat. Brady didn't get to play with Moss and [oops], you cannot compare the situations. Damn too late to edit my first post.

it's not like he's used Moss that well anyways. I know it's not comparable but it's similar. I'm not expecting Cassel to be anywhere near as good as Brady if he leaves, that's the point.

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11-24-2008 , 10:30 PM

#10067

Franchise 60

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Yea, but Brady didn't have half as close to the Weapons when he came out of nowhere. Cassell is jumping into a much better situation offensively than Brady did.

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11-24-2008 , 10:34 PM

#10068

vixticator

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Originally Posted by capone0

it's not like he's used Moss that well anyways. I know it's not comparable but it's similar. I'm not expecting Cassel to be anywhere near as good as Brady if he leaves, that's the point.

Level?? He doesn't use Moss well because he cannot throw a deep pass!

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11-24-2008 , 10:46 PM

#10069

wiper

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sorry for the wait..had parent-teacher conferences until about 15 minutes ago...

might get around to a write-up, might not. i'm just trying to drink a beer and zone out watching football..

James Hasty, CB.

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11-24-2008 , 10:46 PM

#10070

bottomset

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Originally Posted by Franchise 60

The team went from probably best team ever to 2nd best team in their division and fighting for a playoff spot and we are going to knock Brady because Cassell has been doing good?

their defense went from clearly above average to clearly below average which certainly had a something to do with the team falling down

the rest was the pass offense plummeting, but being covered by supersoft schedule

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11-24-2008 , 10:48 PM

#10071

wiper

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wait...someone drafted Cassell??

or, are you all just talking about him comparing him to brady, and ignoring the 'no talking about undrafted players' rule because he's not going to get picked?

please tell me someone drafted Matt Cassell..