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11-18-2008 , 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Steroid Boy
bishop>duerson

both were really good picks. Not much of a difference between the two and Duerson played on the 1985 Bears team.
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11-18-2008 , 10:16 PM
Good pick w/ Duerson. Bobbo really wanted him. I had some minor concerns: 1. A pass rusher in the secondary is questionable for our team and that seems like a decent chunk of his value. 2. Wasn't sure what the deal was with his drop off the face of the earth after 1989(?)--it seems strange that a 4x pro bowl caliber safety would be out of a starting job by age 30 unless the 1989 missed time was due to catastrophic injury.
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11-18-2008 , 10:38 PM
Kennedy and the Raiders offensive line completely wore down the Titans front four in that 2002 AFC Championship game.
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11-18-2008 , 11:16 PM
Round 9, Pick 262

Adrian Wilson, SS




Everyone has seen it, but it would be wrong of me to do an Adrian Wilson writeup without posting this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vL19q8yL54

Adrian Wilson has only been to one Pro Bowl and has never been selected as a first team all-pro, yet I'm pumped to have gotten him in the 9th round. At 6-3, 230, Wilson almost looks more like a LB than a safety. And sometimes watching the Cardinals play you might think that's what he was if he wasn't wearing #24. He reminds me a little of much more popular safety Roy Williams only he is bigger, more athletic, much better in coverage, better at blitzing and isn't in love with the horse collar tackle. Ok, I guess the resemblance isn't that close, my point was just that Wilson is also like having a 4th LB on running plays.

MDS on Wilson towards the end of the 2006 season:

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I would strongly consider safety Adrian Wilson for the Defensive Player of the Year award. When he covers tight ends, they might as well not be on the field. When he blitzes he strikes fear in the hearts of every quarterback. When he plays the run he looks like a middle linebacker. Put him in Chicago and he'd win the award easily.
Of coarse he then went on to name him (along with Ed Reed) to his 2006 every-play-counts all-pro team.

Adrian Wilson holds the single season NFL sack record for a defensive back with 8 in 2005. In 2006, the season where he was finally sent to the pro-bowl for the first time, he had 5 more, which was tied for the league-best that season.

From 2004-2006 Wilson may very well have been the best SS in the NFL. (Note: Ed Reed was hurt in '05 and moved to FS in '06) Over that three year stretch he had 297 total tackles, 14 sacks, 8 interceptions, 30 passes deflected, 8 forced fumbles and 3 defensive touchdowns, 2 of which were 99 yard returns. I'll be taking him at age 27 (2006).

I think Wilson's skill set compliments Sharper's perfectly. I can play Wilson in the box or blitz him and leave Sharper to play center field. I can have Wilson man up on the TE while Sharper gives over the top help elsewhere. Etc.

Wilson also also brings my BEAST count on defense up to 5 now! (Wilson, Williams, O'Neal, Willis, Kearse)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA3JBgdOFfc

Team SL__72

QB Steve Young

RG Will Shields
RT Lincoln Kennedy

LDE Jevon Kearse
NT Pat Williams
RDE Leslie O'Neal

MLB Patrick Willis

FS Darren Sharper
SS Adrian Wilson
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11-18-2008 , 11:21 PM
RE: Kennedy

I got the Needle stamp of approval on that pick!

But really, he was really really good. When I picked him I was looking at my list of RTs who were left and my left handed QB and got a little scared. I also wanted someone else who could really move people around to put next to Shields or picking him so high might have been sort of a waste.
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11-18-2008 , 11:37 PM
Double Pick time!

1) Ron Stone, RG, 29 (2000)



2) Luis Sharpe, LT, 28 (1988)



Bing entirely honest, these are research picks. I won't claim to know a whole lot about the pair of them and have any strong opinions on them - other than that they both have 3 consecutive probowl appearances to their name (good peak period) as part of careers of a decent length in the league (good pro credentials).

Luis Sharpe seems to have had a very rocky time since he left the league with arrests and the murder of his daughter to contend with. But that stuff isn't really of a concern to this process.

I now owe six write ups.

Team:

Randall Cunningham, QB
Curtis Martin, RB
Ben Coates, TE
Luis Sharpe, LT
Kevin Mawae, C
Ron Stone, RG

Gilbert Brown, NT
Lawrence Taylor, LB
James Farrior, LB
Julian Peterson, LB
Aaron Glenn, CB
John Lynch, S
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11-18-2008 , 11:41 PM
Gross Lloyd, your killing me. Only bad thing I read about Sharpe was he was a coke addict, on the field very good pick. Let's see if we can get NPP and Wiper back.
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11-18-2008 , 11:42 PM
Definitely don't have any tapes with Sharpe on them. Maybe I'll rewatch a 2000 giants game before I pass out to watch stone to get an impression on him. Other than that, I can't comment much on either one.
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11-18-2008 , 11:43 PM
Team Bobbofitos wants to trade up contingent on our target being available. PM me for an offer.
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11-18-2008 , 11:44 PM
Honestly we need a replacement for BJLTNYK or nobody will want his team. 3 picks behind is getting bad now. I don't think he cares. Doesn't respond to PMs and is reading NVG right now.
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11-18-2008 , 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by AC-Cobra
This would be a silly argument as if Largent was at the top of his game he would of been picked long ago.
What do you mean it's a silly argument? He made the pro bowl the year before the age I get him at, the year I get him at, and the year after. He was a pro bowl player every and lead the league in reception yards in that time frame and for his career he's a HOF player.

I'm not seeing how by getting him at the age I got him at is a severe drop off to his peak ability.

I think people frankly got enamored by more flashy players and just forgot about him. They also might have at a glance thought he was too old for the cut off but didn't really look at his production for 85-86-87.
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11-18-2008 , 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Needle77
Definitely don't have any tapes with Sharpe on them. Maybe I'll rewatch a 2000 giants game before I pass out to watch stone to get an impression on him. Other than that, I can't comment much on either one.
From what I could gather, it seems that Sharpe was extremely mobile relative to other players for the position. This seemed important - when one considers who my QB is.
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11-18-2008 , 11:50 PM
Dammit, I was really hoping Ron Stone would fall to me, but I knew it was a longshot.
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11-18-2008 , 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by BiiiiigChips
What do you mean it's a silly argument? He made the pro bowl the year before the age I get him at, the year I get him at, and the year after. He was a pro bowl player every and lead the league in reception yards in that time frame and for his career he's a HOF player.

I'm not seeing how by getting him at the age I got him at is a severe drop off to his peak ability.

I think people frankly got enamored by more flashy players and just forgot about him. They also might have at a glance thought he was too old for the cut off but didn't really look at his production for 85-86-87.
I'm pretty sure people are trying to get their players whose peak year is in the draft period. I don't think you can argue that Largent's peak is during the draft but his fall to whatever isn't bad by any means. He's also from a different era.
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11-18-2008 , 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by capone0
Honestly we need a replacement for BJLTNYK or nobody will want his team. 3 picks behind is getting bad now. I don't think he cares. Doesn't respond to PMs and is reading NVG right now.
If this is truly the case, then I have no problem with allowing another poster take the team. As someone mentioned before, his team WAS good but without 3 picks in a row it has quickly dropped....I think if someone takes over they should be given an hour window or so where they can make the 3 picks without people jumping over them just to keep it as fair as possible.
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11-19-2008 , 12:02 AM
Just have to say that Seth Joyner was sick value at this point. I didn't have him on my list because I could have sworn he was picked earlier. Otherwise, I would have taken him.
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11-19-2008 , 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by capone0
I'm pretty sure people are trying to get their players whose peak year is in the draft period. I don't think you can argue that Largent's peak is during the draft but his fall to whatever isn't bad by any means. He's also from a different era.

I think for a guy that was a HOFer and held a handful of major career reception records at the end of his career getting him as the 25th WR in the draft at 32 is really good value. It's not like he was minced meat at 32. He was a pro-bowl level receiver in 85, 86 and 87. I guess the argument can be when was his peak? He lead the league in receiving yards twice. He did it at 25 and he did it at 31 the year before I got him. I'm getting him at 32 and this whole exercise is based on just one season not a career starting at 32. I will argue that he was no worse of a player at 32 then he wa at 31 when he had his biggest statistical output of his career. So getting him at 32 I think it's reasonable to think he can match what he did at 31 in a one shot season. If the cut-off for the draft was 89 then I think it would be a stretch at taking Largent but I'm getting him when he was still as productive as he ever was and coming off one of his best season ever.
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11-19-2008 , 12:14 AM
I really haven't even looked at receivers prior to 1994. Its to hard for me to evaluate them and how they would play in todays game.
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11-19-2008 , 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted by LurchySoprano
Wait, BJLTNYK, never made his 10th round pick and is still skipped? lollers
at this point we SHOULD assign a co-owner to his team. Does anyone want to be a co-owner still?
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11-19-2008 , 12:25 AM
i dont' know of any, do any of the teams with co-owners want to split or would that be annoying too?
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11-19-2008 , 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by NopairParker
Im going with David Duerson- Safety

4 time pro bowler.

7 sacks and 6 picks in his 1986 season, and the age ill take him at. He seems to fit with my aggressive defensive gameplan.
**** me, great pick. If I didn't trade down, he was the dude I was going to take - I hoped he'd slip to me. Nicely done.
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11-19-2008 , 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Jeff W
Good pick w/ Duerson. Bobbo really wanted him. I had some minor concerns: 1. A pass rusher in the secondary is questionable for our team and that seems like a decent chunk of his value. 2. Wasn't sure what the deal was with his drop off the face of the earth after 1989(?)--it seems strange that a 4x pro bowl caliber safety would be out of a starting job by age 30 unless the 1989 missed time was due to catastrophic injury.
I want to add tho he played both FS/SS, and his tendencies were def. tilted more towards helping pass and stop the run - look at the teams he played on (well, those bears were great ) further the duerson/singletary chemistry seemed A+. duerson is a very smart guy, i felt he actually DID fit our team bc we're planning on bumping/pressing our corners so we want more pressure on the qb, etc etc
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11-19-2008 , 12:31 AM
i know costanza_g wanted to be an owner, perhaps appoint him to BJL's team?
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11-19-2008 , 12:32 AM
YES, definitely. Is he online to confirm, I think it would be a great idea. He gets 3 picks in a row too which is actually very hot.
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11-19-2008 , 12:42 AM
I wouldnt mind co-owning the team but i dont want to do it without BJLTNYK's consent
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