Btw, the 3-4 was installed in 1985, so the dramatic drop in 86 can't be blamed on that because he did just fine in the 3-4 the year before.

Lurchy he wrote this in his write-up:

While I don't expect him to go off for 22 sacks like he did in 1984, I expect around 19-20 sacks and he has clear 2nd/3rd round talent.

This is clearly what he's already backed up to.

And clearly Tom Brady is going to throw what 70 TDs in this league. And Jerry Rice 50 TDs. It's going to be insane. Since there is no marginal return on offensive players. I expect the following season from Assani's team.

1500 yards 100 reps from Rice 20 tds
1400 yards 90 reps from Holt 15 tds
1200 yards 80 reps from Witten 10 tds
350 carries and 1400 yards from Smith and maybe 25 tds, and maybe 75 catches and 700 yards too.

Also I expect maybe 60 td passes from Romo

BTW I had a dream that Barry Sanders played on the Cowboys and not the Lions, so I'm going to take him as a cowboy. I used my magical fantasy land pixie dust to extrapolate his stats and I think he is good for 4700 yards rushing and 78 TD's. He also threw for 3900 yards thanks to a bionic arm purchased by Jerry Jones.

huh? He had a dramatic dropoff from 1984 to 85 from 22 sacks to 13.5 sacks, his sack total was drastically reduced.

And in 86 he was playing through groin/ab injuries, and then suffered a knee injury.

But ya it's not worth arguing with u guys anymore as u all seem to have a ton of beef with me, whatever.

Enjoy playing me defense everyone. Bruce Smith is going to have 6 sacks a game and Sam Mills and Junior Seau are going to combine for approximately 1,400 tackles during the season. Also, Terry McDaniel and Darren Woodson combine for 43 INT's all of which they return for TD's.

He broke his hand in 85 and started only 12 of the 16 games he played in.

oh man i wish i could vote this thread six stars

I have zero beef with you, I just think you are prone to ridiculous hyperbole . It's like everyone loved the Greg Lloyd pick and then you immediately began to argue that he was the 3rd best LB in the draft and got mad when people said he was more like 5th or 6th. Here, I've even admitted that Gastineau would probably have 10 sacks or so in our league. I'm sorry that you initially felt that he would get 19-20 (LOL) and then backed it down to 14-15. Again, I just think you overrate the switch to the 3-4 and underrate the fact that the dude just got older and fell off a cliff.

Beef you continually make rediculous claims about just about everything, we all tell you your wrong and you continue to argue against the point.

We are just stat geeks and fantasy football players, how dare us question the knowledge of wikipedia.

So in this draft, the dominant players on offense are going to put up better number due to being surrounded by better talent.

Or is the production going to drop off due to better defense

Michael Strahan 40 sacks imo

the argument with epip is stupid. he exaggerated gastineaus value, but thats pretty much it, and he is clearly still a good pick

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Round 8: Pick 248
Jessie Armstead OLB





I've so far neglected to take a linebacker, but I feel now is the time to start building that part of my defense. IMO, there's not a better place to start at this point in the draft than with Jessie Armstead.

Despite being only an 8th round pick of Miami, Armstead became an elite defender and along with Michael Strahan was a cornerstone for the Giants defense, particularly from 1997-2001, where Armstead made the pro bowl all five years and was all-pro for four years. He was also an integral part of the 2001 Giants team that went to the super bowl and helped destroy part of my childhood by beating the Vikings 41-0 in the NFC championship game.

Armstead was particularly known for his versatility. Here's a bit from an SI article from 1997 by Richard Deutsch I found in the vault:

If this article is correct, Armstead gives my team a lot of versatility, which is key for a 4-3 outside linebacker. Also note that this article was from 1997, which was really the first year in his prime, so I may be getting an even better player than that.

I'll take Armstead at age 29. In the 1999 season he recorded 97 tackles, 9 sacks, 2 interceptions, and forced a fumble.

Accolades:
5x Pro Bowl selection (1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001)
4x All-Pro selection (1997, 1998, 1999, 2000)

Team so far:
QB Jim Kelly
RB Bo Jackson
LT Willie Roaf
LG Ruben Brown

DE Simeon Rice
OLB Jessie Armstead
SS David Fulcher
CB Rod Woodson

One of the best available lbers, imo

Epipen you can't seriously expect people to buy that Gastineaqu is going to get 19-20sacks, otherwise he would have been taken long ago. He was injured in 1985 with a broken thumb, which is why he only started 12 games and played sparingly in the other four. In 1986 he wqas a complete mess, he got three or four different injuries that year it wasn't just one that you could say was maybe a fluke. And even when he did play he only got two sacks in ten games and was never the same after that. If this was a 1985+ league it's a different story but by 1986 he wasn't the same player. He started getting injured even before the season started, in training camp. Honestly the guy shouldn't have even been drafted except as a backup maybe, but taking him here in the 8th round is ridiculous.

And **** I wanted Armstead, nice pick.

Very nice pick with Armstead.

love the armstead pick. he was on my radar but i went with guys that fit my system just a little better. every bit as talented though.

There has been no player in the history of the league who was able to produce at that level for more a few seasons. Reggie White went 18, 21, 18, and then fell to 11, never to rise above 15 again. Strahan went from 9.5 sacks to 22.5 sacks back down to 11. Guys peak years are their peaks for a reason, and when his peak year isn't available in this format, it's a pretty good bet that it isn't coming back, no matter how much you want it to.

I like the Armstead pick, one of my top remaining LBs

The Gastineau pick is just ridiculous IMO. You can argue all you want about how good he was prior to '86, but the fact is, you can only have him from '86 and on, at which point he was injury-plagued and unproductive.

Armstead is a great pick, he was one of my top choices for my pick if he fell.

capone I don't think you could call '06 Pace an elite end. He had a terrible time with speed rushers and I don't think was much help in the run game anymore either. FO make it look like the Rams were MUCH more successful running up the middle or to the right than to the left that year.

Thanks SL. Why did he struggle when Pace went out. Horrible replacement player? Injuries? I'll honestly admit I don't watch many Rams games but I remember the Pace injury and remember SJ's struggles I thought they went together.