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10-29-2008 , 09:50 PM
I assume you are taking Romo last season? I think I like it.
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10-29-2008 , 09:51 PM
Romo's sample size is even smaller than Gannons. Romo does have the highest career passer rating ever but he's had some reasons for that. He's been surrounded with an ultra talented cast including a future HOF WR and great TE and a rediculous o-line. I like Romo a lot actually, but I don't know how much.

Their back-up QB is in fact terrible and should put in there 3rd. I honestly can't blame you for taking Romo, I just wouldn't want him a playoff game or a December game........also don't like that he fumbles like a bitch eventhough he has a great o-line.
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10-29-2008 , 09:51 PM
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Assani is offline.

Level of gay = high. I really wanted to get my pick in tonight.
Not sure what you saw, but I was never offline.
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10-29-2008 , 09:51 PM
Romo to Rice has a pretty nice ring to it, fwiw.
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10-29-2008 , 09:52 PM
Are you running the west coast with Romo?
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10-29-2008 , 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Needle77
Heh, which thread? Either way the guy was arguably the best OT in the league last year. He was basically unstoppable. He got a fat contract and has regressed by a decent margin this year though.
Imo guys like this are hurt in our league since nobody will be in a contract year in our league and one could argue that his play would've been much worse had he not been in a contract year.
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10-29-2008 , 09:54 PM
Honestly, if Romo was out there much longer (say a round or two) I was thinking of picking him with no idea of what the reaction will be. I do think he has a few questions about his ability to not turnover the football and his play in big December/playoff games but the talent is clearly there.
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10-29-2008 , 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Assani Fisher
Imo guys like this are hurt in our league since nobody will be in a contract year in our league and one could argue that his play would've been much worse had he not been in a contract year.
Well in Adams case he had that torn ACL in '05(?) and it looked like he finally got back to full speed in 07. I don't really know what his problem is this year but the guy was a stud in 04 as well. Just last year he was disgustingly good.
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10-29-2008 , 09:55 PM
Does blowing guys hurt his value at all?
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10-29-2008 , 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Assani Fisher
Imo guys like this are hurt in our league since nobody will be in a contract year in our league and one could argue that his play would've been much worse had he not been in a contract year.
If he was a one hit wonder then sure, you can easily make that argument. However, in Adams case the dude had made 3 pro bowls already before his contract year in question.
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10-29-2008 , 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by fanmail
I assume you are taking Romo last season? I think I like it.
Either last season or at his current age..well I guess I'd take him 4 weeks ago so that he wouldn't be injured. He was off to the best season of his career statistically, so I think it could be argued that hes even better this season than last(especially since its very much expected for QBs to improve in their first few years as a starter and Romo had done just that every year)

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Romo's sample size is even smaller than Gannons. Romo does have the highest career passer rating ever but he's had some reasons for that. He's been surrounded with an ultra talented cast including a future HOF WR and great TE and a rediculous o-line. I like Romo a lot actually, but I don't know how much.

Their back-up QB is in fact terrible and should put in there 3rd. I honestly can't blame you for taking Romo, I just wouldn't want him a playoff game or a December game........also don't like that he fumbles like a bitch eventhough he has a great o-line.

I addressed both of these points(sample size and surrounding cast) in my writeup.

Regarding sample size, as I said in the writeup, I give more value to a guy with a sample size of ~ 2 years when hes only played two years in real life than to a guy who has put up 3 or 4 great years but who has played 10+ years in real life.



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Are you running the west coast with Romo?
[x] One of the most accurate QBs of all time
[x] Jerry Rice
[x] Great deep threat(Holt)
[x] RB who is above average at recieving(Emmitt)


Yea, I mean I see no reason not to at this point, although I don't know much about football strategy so I'd be open to suggestions.
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10-29-2008 , 09:59 PM
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If you have a rediculous pass rush, it makes your average corners look like great corners. If you have no pass rush I don't care how good your secondary is, they will get owned (see Denver this year or 49ers this and last year although 49ers is a much worse example, probally can use Oakland as an example too).
QFT that's why i went D-line/D-line/D-line with my first 3 defensive picks, nobody (not even prime time) can lock down a WR forever.
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10-29-2008 , 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Needle77
Well in Adams case he had that torn ACL in '05(?) and it looked like he finally got back to full speed in 07. I don't really know what his problem is this year but the guy was a stud in 04 as well. Just last year he was disgustingly good.
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If he was a one hit wonder then sure, you can easily make that argument. However, in Adams case the dude had made 3 pro bowls already before his contract year in question.
yea, sorry I should've been more clear. I wasn't specifically talking about Adams...just saying that in general our league will punish players who played best in a contract year imo.
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10-29-2008 , 10:00 PM
Round 6 Pick 184

Mark Bavaro TE



This pick is all about value. With my first five picks, I laid the groundwork for a stellar defense, and at first, it might seem strange to start building my offense around a TE. However, Mark Bavaro is not just any tight end; in this format, I consider him to be the best tight end in the draft. At no other position other than fullback can any pick at this point make that claim.

To start with, his receiving ability at his peak is second to none. Take a look at his stats for 1986 and 1987. 66 receptions for 1001 yards at 15.2 yards per reception, and 55 receptions for 867 yards, 15.8 yards per. Keep in mind that 1987 was the strike year, so he only was able to play 12 games. If those stats were prorated over a 16 game season, that would equate to a line of 73 receptions for 1156 yards. Few tight ends put up back to back 1000 yard seasons; fewer still can do it at over 15 yards per reception. Those are wide receiver numbers, good wide receiver numbers.

But, if I just wanted a wide receiver, there are plenty of good wide receivers available with much longer peaks. What separates Bavaro from the pack is the combination of his elite receiving ability with elite blocking. Keep in mind that he was not originally selected to be a big time receiving tight end, but was instead chosen for his blocking. Although he blossomed into a great receiving tight end, he never forgot how to block. In a 1986 Monday night game against the Redskins in which the Giants rushed for 202 yards, John Madden described it as the "best job of blocking I've ever seen by a tight end." When the Giants ran the clock out, his quarterback would tell stories of how he would ask for plays to be run to his side so he could hit the linebackers one more time. You want your tight end to be a mean son of a bitch, and he delivered.

While his toughness was the stuff of legends, it didn't come without its price. He battled numerous injuries, a broken jaw, dislocated toe, and a sprained ankle. This took its toll, and by his fourth season, he was no longer the dynamic player he once was. However, in this league, longevity is not a factor, and in fact his willingness to play through pain only adds to his short term value. With all due respect to Tony Gonzalez and Antonio Gates, the combination of Mark Bavaro's elite receiving ability and elite blocking ability make him the best tight end in this draft.

2 Time First Team All Pro
2 Time Pro Bowler

For now:

DE Reggie White
LB Kevin Greene
S Brian Dawkins
CB Nnamdi Asomugha
DT Michael Dean Perry

TE Mark Bavaro
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10-29-2008 , 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Assani Fisher
yea, sorry I should've been more clear. I wasn't specifically talking about Adams...just saying that in general our league will punish players who played best in a contract year imo.
Just for the sake of argument, couldn't someone argue that since this is a one year league, these guys are all signed to one-year contracts, and thus they are all in "contract years"?
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10-29-2008 , 10:03 PM
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QFT that's why i went D-line/D-line/D-line with my first 3 defensive picks, nobody (not even prime time) can lock down a WR forever.
But its not as black and white as that. You can have both. No dline is getting to the QB every play either.
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10-29-2008 , 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Assani Fisher
Either last season or at his current age..well I guess I'd take him 4 weeks ago so that he wouldn't be injured. He was off to the best season of his career statistically, so I think it could be argued that hes even better this season than last(especially since its very much expected for QBs to improve in their first few years as a starter and Romo had done just that every year)




I addressed both of these points(sample size and surrounding cast) in my writeup.

Regarding sample size, as I said in the writeup, I give more value to a guy with a sample size of ~ 2 years when hes only played two years in real life than to a guy who has put up 3 or 4 great years but who has played 10+ years in real life.





[x] One of the most accurate QBs of all time
[x] Jerry Rice
[x] Great deep threat(Holt)
[x] RB who is above average at recieving(Emmitt)


Yea, I mean I see no reason not to at this point, although I don't know much about football strategy so I'd be open to suggestions.
I've addressed this earlier, Gannon was great for 4 years in a system which he was built to succeed in (WCO), 2 of which he was first team all pro, 4 of which he made the PB. You think if you put Dallas on some team that wasn't loaded with 11 pro bowlers (6 on O) he wouldn't be much worse?
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10-29-2008 , 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by LurchySoprano
Honestly, if Romo was out there much longer (say a round or two) I was thinking of picking him with no idea of what the reaction will be. I do think he has a few questions about his ability to not turnover the football and his play in big December/playoff games but the talent is clearly there.
Honestly, I was pretty scared you were going to take him. This entire time I've been looking at which teams had a QB and which didn't drafting ahead of me. I think only 3 didn't have a QB, so I felt pretty safe, but you never know.


I think the whole "clutch" thing regarding Romo is nonsense, especially if you want to talk sample size. Remember, Peyton Manning used to be unclutch too.


He definitely does throw a few picks, which is why I like the comparison to Favre. With that said, INTs are heavily weighed into QB Rating, yet Romo still has the highest QB Rating of all time. Overall though, I won't argue that this is a weakness of his.
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10-29-2008 , 10:06 PM
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But its not as black and white as that. You can have both. No dline is getting to the QB every play either.
But a front 7 can put pressure on every play. Also CBs don't really impact the run game that much while many DLineman do.
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10-29-2008 , 10:06 PM
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I've addressed this earlier, Gannon was great for 4 years in a system which he was built to succeed in (WCO), 2 of which he was first team all pro, 4 of which he made the PB. You think if you put Dallas on some team that wasn't loaded with 11 pro bowlers (6 on O) he wouldn't be much worse?
Worse? Yes.

Much worse? I'm not sure. I think when you look at how bad they've been without him in the 2 games this year and the 6 games in 2006, it really hurts the argument taht their offense is all that talented.

Also I'm not sure if its as black and white as you're making it with the "Gannon was great in the WCO but below average QB in other systems." While I do agree with you that different systems tailor to different QB's strengths, any system still emphasizes the basic QB skills. Imo a great QB should be able to succeed in any system.
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10-29-2008 , 10:08 PM
gogogogo bob.
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10-29-2008 , 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Assani Fisher
Honestly, I was pretty scared you were going to take him. This entire time I've been looking at which teams had a QB and which didn't drafting ahead of me. I think only 3 didn't have a QB, so I felt pretty safe, but you never know.


I think the whole "clutch" thing regarding Romo is nonsense, especially if you want to talk sample size. Remember, Peyton Manning used to be unclutch too.


He definitely does throw a few picks, which is why I like the comparison to Favre. With that said, INTs are heavily weighed into QB Rating, yet Romo still has the highest QB Rating of all time. Overall though, I won't argue that this is a weakness of his.
Well he has a lot of interceptions and a lot of fumbles. He's a great QB, I don't blame you for taking him. He should be good in your system with two HOF level WRs. You'll definitely need to protect him well though.
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10-29-2008 , 10:09 PM
Looks like I have to wait for Epeen to see that I consider Bavaro a better TE in this format than Gonzalez before someone will comment on it.
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10-29-2008 , 10:10 PM
the cowboys offense is worse this year than last, TO seems to have gotten old, flozell got paid, the rest of the oline seems to have regressed. they have a rb not used to getting the full load, they had no discernable 2nd WR
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10-29-2008 , 10:10 PM
Taking Tim McDonald. Working on write up now.
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