Winston will be pure garbage in the NFL.

this.

he should come out now while people still think he is even draftable.

I seriously cant wait until his wonderlic score leaks

Out of nothing but curiosity what is the reasoning behind "Winston will be pure garbage in the NFL?"

Just looking around and here's some reported Wonderlic scores from QB's of the past and present.

Ryan Fitzpatrick 48 (finished in 9 minutes supposedly)
Blaine Gabbert 42
Alex Smith 40
Eli Manning 39
Colin Kaepernick 38
Matt Stafford 38
Andrew Luck 37
Tony Romo 37
Akili Smith 37 (supposedly scored a 12 at college in a prior year then got a tutor to prep for it at the combine and raised his score 25 points)
Sam Bradford 36
Aaron Rodgers 35
Steve Young 33
Tom Brady 33
Johnny Manziel 32
Andy Dalton 29
John Elway 29
Rustle Wilson 28
Mark Sanchez 28
Peyton Manning 28
Drew Brees 28
Joe Flacco 27
JaMarcus Russell 24
Trent Dilfer 22
Brett Favre 22
Tim Tebow 22
Cam Newton 21
Teddy Bridgewater 20 (graduated with degree in 3 years)
Jake Locker 20
Daunte Culpepper 18
Dan Marino 15
Jim Kelly 15
Terry Bradshaw 15
Vince Young 15
Donovan McNabb 14

Mariota has a great, and very quick, release going for him in a way that CK never has. That's my favorite part of his game. He can get the ball out as quick as some of the best in the game.

Winston is the opposite. While his release probably isn't cause for alarm, it ain't good either.

i agree that mariota's release is quicker than CK, and i'd also offer than he's more accurate and can provide more touch when required. some of the quickness in his throws could be attributed to how fast his primary reads become the obvious choice in the oregon system, but his release is similar to a good baseball catcher...get the ball to the ear and let it rip.
winston seems to have a bit more loop in his motion, and for some reason it jumped out at me during the rose bowl as being less efficient than it was several games ago.

I'll admit I have not watched Mariota a ton, but it seems to me he has that Bridgewater arm strength issue that may make him drop for no real reason.

I think there should be legitimate concerns over Mariota's ability to read NFL defenses. He's just not asked to do it in college. He might be able to, but it's a giant question mark at this point.

I need to watch Winston more from this year. I know he wasn't as good, but he also wasn't as bad as his stats suggest from my watching of FSU games.

is his arm strength elite? no
is it better than teddyb? yes (and he doesn't need gloves)

from the perspective of 'has he done it in the past', i think your point is valid.
from the perspective of 'does he have the ability', i think he does.
oregon's offense isn't as simplistic as choosing either A or B. there is a need to think beyond that level. i would offer that based on his proven ability to make the correct decisions in oregon's 'simplistic' offense (referencing his interception percentage), he's more than a step ahead in his ability to make the right choice. he often has been required to throw to the third read.

bottom line: the kid is intelligent, works hard, and has tons of natural ability.
am i saying he's as advanced as andrew luck at this point in his career? nope.
do i think he has the potential to get there if put in the right environment? yep.
do i think he'll have the opportunity based on the teams that will likely draft him? this thought makes me sad.

edit to directly address mjw's point about reading nfl defenses.....how many college qbs do you think have had the opportunity, and/or expressed the ability, to do this?

I think it's a decent bit stronger than Bridgewater. Not a rocket arm, but strength wise similar to like Matt Ryan from what I've seen. Plenty enough.

TJ Clemmings is a total bad ass on the couple tapes I watched. I doubt he'll be available there, but it's possible. Some highlights (he's at right tackle):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktDiVK0bQKc&t=1m59s (that poor linebacker, haha)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktDiVK0bQKc&t=3m16s (quick to the second level)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktDiVK0bQKc&t=9m50s (oh... my... god)

His pass protection looks fine too. These run blocks are absurd.

First thing I look for when I'm sitting on my couch drinking a beer is perceived work ethic/intelligence/maturity. Red flags here.

Throw in the fact he plays on one of the more talented teams in the country and threw 18 picks against lolcollege defenses..Idk. What am I missing

Akili Smith getting a 37 on the wonderlic can't possibly be without cheating ffs.

along the lines of the "really fat guy playing goalie in hockey" question, how come no one can find a way to put some 7+ foot tree out there and let him run ten yard curl routes all day and you throw it really high (or in newton's case normally) to him. how would you defend it? just constantly try to time a hit with the ball?

kaep getting a 38 is the most absurd thing on that list. There is legitimately no way he is smarter than Luck or Godgers even if by just a small margin.

Peyton getting only a 28 aligns pretty neatly with this early profile that some of the youngs may not have seen re: him not being aware of anything outside of football:

Somehow I'm not surprised by that at all.

I'm less concerned about Mariota being able to make reads in the NFL than I am about his ability to have the timing, anticipation, and accuracy to make the throws required at that level. He does make a read on nearly every play to find the absurd mismatches their scheme generates and he's very good at it. Unfortunately, he's not making throws you see in the NFL because his receivers are often wide open by high school standards much less college or NFL standards. Also, many of his reads are something even Vince Young could make; it's as simple as looking left and right and noticing that one side has 3 receivers with only 2 defenders on them. It's not like his receivers are physical freaks just beating the defenses by an extra yard or two; they are often completely uncovered by anyone due to confusion at the snap of the ball.

If Rapeis gets even 1 question right on the wonderlic I call shenanigans

I'm going on record as wanting DGB for the vikes BAD. When you see a guy that kinda reminds you of randy you don't pass on him no matter what.

Cause Randy won a lot of super bowls. And why would u want an idiot that can't stay out of trouble with drugs when in college? What do you think he's going to do when he gets a lot of cash?

Put him on the Dez program.

ahh the good old RANGZ argument

Especially the WR with RANGZ