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10-11-2013 , 01:58 AM

#201

vixticator

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I haven't watched either of them except a bit of Mariota. Sophomore QBs entering the draft is incredibly rare so I'll hold off until they declare or I have nothing better to do.

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10-11-2013 , 08:14 AM

#202

brandoncla

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Not a huge fan of downgrading a guy because of the College he goes to.

Will be interesting to see how it shakes out, I think one of the OT's might get up there and challenge. Especially if whoever lands it isn't in love with Bridgewater.

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10-11-2013 , 08:45 AM

#203

REDeYeS00

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I think Mariota has the size, speed and ability to be very very good. He just doesn't bake bad decisions or turn the ball over (prob just jinxed the UW game this weekend). I'm concerned about his lack of experience in reading complex defenses in a pro system. The reads Oregon QB are asked to make just aren't the same.

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10-11-2013 , 09:08 AM

#204

Noze

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Eh, Rapenberger might be a stretch at #1 due to all the rapin

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10-11-2013 , 09:13 AM

#205

Steroid Boy

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steelers tho

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10-11-2013 , 09:54 AM

#206

KDebo

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Ya'll are crazy saying Bridgewater is a Bradford type 'meh he's #1 cause we need qb'

Matt Miller is on record saying Bridgewater is the 2nd best QB he's ever scouted, behind Luck (better than RG3)

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Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout 11h
Steve Young-ish. RT @AndyCoachFB: NFL comparison for Bridgewater? Current or historic.

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Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout 11h
People say Bridgewater hasn't played a good defense. Rutgers had 3 defensive backs drafted last year. He shredded them.

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Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout 12h
.@fetish4lettuce I'm comparing Bridgewater to RG3 because he just replaced him as my No. 2 QB all-time scouted.

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Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout 12h
The only QB I've graded in 10 years that is higher ranked than Bridgewater? Andrew Luck.

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Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout 12h
You can call it hype or trolling, but I'm all-in on Bridgewater. I'll stake my reputation on him being an upper-level NFL quarterback.

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Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout 12h
Foot work, vision, passing mechanics, touch, ball placment—actual QBing—Bridgewater is better than RG3 was.

John Middlekauff, a former scout with the Bucs, agrees

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John Middlekauff ‏@JohnMiddlekauff 12h
No question about it either @nfldraftscout: Teddy Bridgewater is a better prospect than RG3 was.”

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10-11-2013 , 09:57 AM

#207

KDebo

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I think you guys are just saying he's eh because all the hype is being placed on Clowney and everyone agreed he was the consensus #1 before the season. Bridgewater is really, really good

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10-11-2013 , 01:23 PM

#208

EmpireMaker2

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My top 10 on offense for players likely to go to draft

Qb
1.Bridgewater
2.Boyd
3.J Football
4.Mariota
5.Hundley
6.Murray
7.McCarron
8.Carr
9.Mettenberger
10.Morris

WR
1.Lee
2.Watkins
3.Evans
4.Matthews
5.Coleman
6.Beckham
7.Robinson
8.Moncrief
9.Kas Williams
10.Parker

RB
1.Sankey
2.Seastrunk
3.Carey
4.Gordon
5.Thomas? (Don't really trust these Oregon backs in pros)
6.Dyer
7.Grice
8.Hyde
9.White
10.Sims

TE
1.Amaro
2.ASJ
3.Ebron

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10-11-2013 , 01:57 PM

#209

tweedybirdd

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Originally Posted by Palo

Swap Cam and Vick and I'd say that's about right except Bridgewater should be below Rivers and near Bradford territory.

Not sure how you can consider Cam even close to Bridgewater. Cam was seen as a pretty huge unknown and wasn't even the consensus best QB. There was a massive need at QB that year and he wouldn't have fallen far if Carolina passed, but he was far from a clean prospect. Teddy is a much more polished prospect and is much easier to project than Cam. Perhaps people are forgetting how much the Cam pick was lol'd at, especially on this board.

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10-11-2013 , 02:01 PM

#210

Ray Horton

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IIRC Palo is a huge Cam homer from way back when who was vindicated by Cam's early performance and is struggling to reconcile that with the harsh reality that we may have seen Cam's best already.

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10-11-2013 , 02:31 PM

#211

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Originally Posted by Ray Horton

IIRC Palo is a huge Cam homer from way back when who was vindicated by Cam's early performance and is struggling to reconcile that with the harsh reality that we may have seen Cam's best already.

Yup like 75% of the dudes posts are him blowing cam's scrote

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10-11-2013 , 07:16 PM

#212

REDeYeS00

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Originally Posted by EmpireMaker2

As a potential pro prospect going forward, I'd pick Mariota over J Football. That's based on both on- and off- the field evaluation.

5. Thomas won't and shouldn't be a RB in the NFL. Slot guy, return kicks, etc - yes. take handoffs out of the backfield - no.
LaMichael in SF and Kenyon in Carolina are both bigger than him and they still are a little too small for the NFL. Defensive players in college are picking up DAT and tackling him. He's a devastating weapon in space, not so much between NFL tackles.

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10-12-2013 , 08:13 AM

#213

brandoncla

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I would move Sims way up that list from what I've seen.

4. Sims

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10-12-2013 , 08:06 PM

#214

Ray Horton

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Houston should take Johnny FF.

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10-13-2013 , 09:40 AM

#215

bigt2k4

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Everyone should take Johnny Football, dude is better than Bridgewater

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10-14-2013 , 02:07 PM

#216

EmpireMaker2

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Originally Posted by ReDeYES88

I'm starting to think Mariota and Johnny are the 1-2 QB's. I had my doubts about Mariota's accuracy and arm, but he's been so impressive this year. Same with Johnny. Johnny projects to be as good as Russ Wilson and I think he has a stronger arm and is def. faster.

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10-14-2013 , 02:21 PM

#217

Omniheart

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Originally Posted by bigt2k4

Everyone should take Johnny Football, dude is better than Bridgewater

agree. he is the number 1 pick. i am not sure if he can rise above teddy but after all it is set and done, he is going to be top 5 pick

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10-14-2013 , 02:25 PM

#218

Omniheart

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Originally Posted by EmpireMaker2

rusell is a much smarter runner. thats the thing that is prob the most worrisome about johnny. he is like a slower vick when running and vick gets injured more than anyone even with his speed

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10-14-2013 , 03:27 PM

#219

Victor Cruz

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Is Bridgewater good enough that the Giants should draft them and rebuild with him if they can?

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10-14-2013 , 04:14 PM

#220

SuperUberBob

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Eli has two years left after 2013. Until then, they live and die with him.

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10-14-2013 , 04:35 PM

#221

Victor Cruz

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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob

Eli has two years left after 2013. Until then, they live and die with him.

Isn't that ideal? Let Nicks walk, draft Teddy, suck for two more years, build the offensive line while Teddy is safe on the sideline, let him start goating after two years

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10-14-2013 , 04:38 PM

#222

BillNye

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Giants aren't going to get the top pick. I would imagine they will be prime candidates for Clowney though.

If they do get the top pick I'd expect a trade down.

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10-14-2013 , 05:06 PM

#223

SteelersDMW

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Originally Posted by Omniheart

rusell is a much smarter runner. thats the thing that is prob the most worrisome about johnny. he is like a slower vick when running and vick gets injured more than anyone even with his speed

I guess but JFF doesn't really get hit hard. Watch him play he's extremely shifty when he's about to be hit. He's who I'd be picking if I had the top pick

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10-14-2013 , 06:23 PM

#224

SuperUberBob

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Originally Posted by BillNye

Giants aren't going to get the top pick. I would imagine they will be prime candidates for Clowney though.

If they do get the top pick I'd expect a trade down.

Jerry Reese sticks to the old Ernie Accorsi mantra, "You can never have too many pass rushers." He'd probably trade up for Clowney if the price is right.