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01-04-2012 , 02:26 AM
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Originally Posted by nath
We really don't even have to get 30 people if enough people take two or three teams. The problem comes with people not even doing that, or dropping out along the way, and then someone has to fill in.

I mean, I kind of agree that we're just going by lists at a certain point and that can be pretty boring, but there isn't really another way to go about. Aren't we really going by lists the entire way, anyway? Most of our drafting is going to be based on prospect lists made by people who are ostensibly better at this than us.
I was assuming that most of you guys who did it were diehard college fans who were quite knowledgeable about all the players. I barely watch any college whatsoever and only know of the top ~15 or so prospects who I've heard about on ESPN. I mean, I don't mind....I'll do it if you really need someone.
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01-04-2012 , 02:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Zeth
Should never have fired Jim Mora imo.
Just an FYI bit of trivia, Mora never won an NFL playoff game.
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01-04-2012 , 02:28 AM
yup chiefs had GOAT o-line hence the larry johnson beast mode for a season or two as well

but priest was def an awesome guy, a chess enthusiast and seemed real well spoken

@sublime

i mean just more evidence for RBS being replaceable, both priest and LJ didn't do anything anywhere else their whole careers
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01-04-2012 , 02:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Assani Fisher
I was assuming that most of you guys who did it were diehard college fans who were quite knowledgeable about all the players. I barely watch any college whatsoever and only know of the top ~15 or so prospects who I've heard about on ESPN. I mean, I don't mind....I'll do it if you really need someone.
I know a bit about college players, at least the ones I've seen a lot of, but that's mostly regional, and the top prospects come from all over the country. I don't know anyone who's hardcore enough to keep tabs and form serious, independent opinions on all the major college prospects, or form many opinions about players that seriously differ from the draft lists of Kiper / CBS Sportsline / WalterFootball / Joe's Bait 'N' Tackle 'N' Scouting Service.
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01-04-2012 , 02:39 AM
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btw, while looking up info on how great faulk was...WOW priest holmes was ANIMAL for like 3 seasons.
I ****ING TOLD YOU didn't I ****ING TELL YOU

Last edited by Anacardo; 01-04-2012 at 02:39 AM. Reason: i've been hacking up my left lung for like 3 ****ing weeks ffffffuuuuuu
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01-04-2012 , 02:42 AM
yeah, larrys good years paled in comparison to holmes 3 season run though.

guy ran the ball over 1000 times with a success rate over 50%...thats just insane. also caught 200 passes over that time frame. wow.

for comparison in 2011 there were ZERO RB's who ran the ball 200+ times with a success rate > 50...in 2010 there was one, Jamal Charles...in 09...again zero. holmes was doing in 300 times a season, lol.

its not just an 'era' thing either...it only happened 3 other times during his run...faulk in 01, garner and portis in 02.

larrys 2005 was pimp but his 2006 when he rushed for 1800 he just ran a ton...his success rate was below 40% and that was coupled with a 4.2 YPC.

your point about the OL stands of course. i suppose i was shocked at how damn great those holmes years were.
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01-04-2012 , 02:43 AM
saying priest holmes did nothing while not on the chiefs is misleading. he rushed for 1008 yds on 233 carries his 2nd year in the nfl, and then didn't get another chance as a starter until he went to the chiefs. was good for the ravens in limited opportunities

edit: holmes was a ****ing beast
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01-04-2012 , 02:45 AM
So what are peoples thoughts here on taking WRs high in the draft as compared to RBs? I think we all dont like taking RBs high other than the extremely rare case where a guy looks like AP in college, but even he had injury questions coming out of college.

I ask bc Blackmon looks like he should be a top 5 pick to me, but Im sure a lot of people might be completely against taking a WR that high.
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01-04-2012 , 02:46 AM
Speaking of the draft, it bums me out that the Saints can never seem to land a Jason Pierre-Paul-esque freak. I want a stud pass rusher!
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01-04-2012 , 02:48 AM
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Originally Posted by ervinsm46o
So what are peoples thoughts here on taking WRs high in the draft as compared to RBs? I think we all dont like taking RBs high other than the extremely rare case where a guy looks like AP in college, but even he had injury questions coming out of college.

I ask bc Blackmon looks like he should be a top 5 pick to me, but Im sure a lot of people might be completely against taking a WR that high.
A.J. Green seemed to work out all right.

It really depends on the receiver. A true game-changer is worth a top-5 pick, and frequently when a WR goes that high they turn out to be one of those (Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, Calvin Johnson, for example). I'm not sure if Blackmon is on that level (he doesn't have the size of those guys) but he is the real deal in every other way as far as I can tell.
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01-04-2012 , 02:52 AM
also i am using ANS 'success rate' which is more strict than FO fwiw. only because its easier to sort, not sure which has a higher correlation with putting points on the board.
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01-04-2012 , 03:00 AM
The Flynn love is lol. If a team gives up a more than a 3rd rounder for him, they're overpaying for him imo. He's fine as a quality backup or a stop-gap, but I would never let him be my franchise QB. He has meh arm strength and doesn't do anything particularly great. The Lions didn't have any tape on him and were without their best DB and others. Even @ NE last year, he didn't play that well. He was okay and def exceeded expectations, but lol @ it being some really impressive performance. He was 24/37 251 6.8 3 1 100.2. No one mentions that 66 of those 251 yards came on a hilariously awful blown coverage by the Pats (ofc Meriweather). He also threw a pick-6 and looked woefully inexperienced at the end of the game.

Over any significant sample size, his deficiencies will come to light. He's a much improved player from when he came into the league and McCarthy and his staff have def coached him up. But if a team gives up a 1st rounder or even a high second rounder, lol nfl.
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01-04-2012 , 03:03 AM
Ooh, I just saw that the interim head of personnel while the Bears search for a new GM is... wait for it... Tim Ruskell! One of the few people who would be a genuinely worse selection for GM than Jerry Angelo.
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01-04-2012 , 03:04 AM
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Originally Posted by ervinsm46o
So what are peoples thoughts here on taking WRs high in the draft as compared to RBs? I think we all dont like taking RBs high other than the extremely rare case where a guy looks like AP in college, but even he had injury questions coming out of college.

I ask bc Blackmon looks like he should be a top 5 pick to me, but Im sure a lot of people might be completely against taking a WR that high.
Blackmon is a ****ing man and deserves to be a top 5 pick even if he runs a 4.8 40.
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01-04-2012 , 03:10 AM
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Blackmon is a ****ing man and deserves to be a top 5 pick even if he runs a 4.8 40.
+1

Stud WRs and their draft value are benefiting from the new passing landscape as well.
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01-04-2012 , 03:50 AM
prob already posted but here's ditka and all of his CTE glory:

http://deadspin.com/5872847/heres-mi...en-apologizing
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01-04-2012 , 04:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Assani Fisher
Saints got steals with Colston in the 7th and Jimmy Graham in the 3rd. The Patriots got Wes Welker in free agency and he became a superstar, then they drafted TEs in the 2nd and 4th rounds and both turned out to be studs! Greg Jennings and Jordy Nelson were 2nd round steals and Jermichael Finely was had in the 3rd round.

Crazy how NO, GB, NE, and Indy all find these great receiving options outside of the 1st round, huh?
Pierre Garçon's best season to date came without Peyton Manning.

70 receptions for 947 yards with Collins/Painter/Orlovsky throwing him the ball.

Garçon was massive steal in the draft, arguing otherwise is foolish.
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01-04-2012 , 04:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Assani Fisher
Saints got steals with Colston in the 7th and Jimmy Graham in the 3rd. The Patriots got Wes Welker in free agency and he became a superstar, then they drafted TEs in the 2nd and 4th rounds and both turned out to be studs! Greg Jennings and Jordy Nelson were 2nd round steals and Jermichael Finely was had in the 3rd round.

Crazy how NO, GB, NE, and Indy all find these great receiving options outside of the 1st round, huh?
They traded for him after he was tendered by MIA. second and 7th rounders.

Also, Welker was undrafted out of college fwiw.
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01-04-2012 , 09:10 AM
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Just an FYI bit of trivia, Mora never won an NFL playoff game.
So? I don't care if the Colts win a playoff game. I just want entertained.
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01-04-2012 , 10:06 AM
Likelihood that the Skins start the 2012 NFL season with 1 of the following quarterbacks newly at the helm?

-Peyton
-Flynn
-Luck
-RG3
-Landry

I'm thinking like ~90%

Either way, Snyder is probably showing up at someone's doorstep with a dumptruck of cash
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01-04-2012 , 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by thedeezy
How Mike Martz continues to dupe NFL teams into hiring him is beyond me.

Can't wait for Riverman to show up with his take on Norv
cant wait to see the aids offense the bears run next yr.

and angelo's handling of forte was fine. long term investing in rbs is dumb.
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01-04-2012 , 11:09 AM
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Kyle Orton or Jason Campbell to compete with Sanchez for the starting job would seem like a good move to me. I assume both come relatively cheap.

Vince Young is interesting too.
I think Orton is likely to reup in KC
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01-04-2012 , 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by ervinsm46o
So what are peoples thoughts here on taking WRs high in the draft as compared to RBs? I think we all dont like taking RBs high other than the extremely rare case where a guy looks like AP in college, but even he had injury questions coming out of college.

I ask bc Blackmon looks like he should be a top 5 pick to me, but Im sure a lot of people might be completely against taking a WR that high.
lots of ppl think richardson should go top 5 as well
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01-04-2012 , 12:04 PM
Does anyone have a cap overview for the free agency period?

Bowe to Chicago is kind of what I'm rooting for. I guess DJax would be good as well for Cutler's rocket arm.

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With wide receivers I doubt Bowe is going anywhere. Manningham likely gone with Cruz emerging and he'd be a nice signing anywhere.
I wonder what Steve Smith from Philly has left in the tank. Didn't seem like much since he basically didn't play for Philly and Cooper did but he had nagging injuries etc.
Hixon also a free agent for the Giants I think (obviously not a big ticket but good to know with Manningham)

I'll rewind the two Flynn games I have access to (I might have preseason as well) and give my opinion. There's one specific thing I always like to look for and iirc from the Redzone coverage last week he did that fairly well.

An interesting question: If Flynn turns out to be at least servicable...should some team try to bid away whoever is doing the qB-coaching at GB? That is certainly something I'd look at as a GM following the old Tommy Angelo reciprocality idea.

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btw, while looking up info on how great faulk was...WOW priest holmes was ANIMAL for like 3 seasons.
KC oline = animals

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QBs can develop a ton and some QBs like Brady are just late round steals. However I was curious as to why he lasted til the 7th round, so I googled for a scouting report....
Thanks for digging that up. Not trying to be (minor) results oriented but that report reads pretty much like "pick me if you think you have a good coaching staff". I think moving well in the pocket and having a decent enough arm and showing you can at times be accurate is a pretty solid core if you have good work ethic. Reading coverages and all the mental stuff is probably really hard to get a read on though

nath: Colston+Brees are FA after the season iirc. Any danger of not being able to sign both due to cap or other reasons? Obviously you lock up Brees first

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I ask bc Blackmon looks like he should be a top 5 pick to me, but Im sure a lot of people might be completely against taking a WR that high.
Taking WR high seems perfectly fine to me. I mean if you feel you can grab a stud I wouldn't blink. An elite WR is very valuable. I'd probably only take a QB or good pass rusher over him (+elite tackle maybe). It's probably easier to evaluate WR than CB but I may be wrong there.

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01-04-2012 , 12:29 PM
Hadn't seen this before, can't stop laughing at it.

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