Right now, it looks like the biggest winner at the senior bowl might be Vladamir Ducasse. NFLDS moved him from 3rd rounder to 29th overall on the first day.

Tebow comments on scout.com first day practice (abridged version):

Also on NFL Network Mayock said he believes most teams have him graded as 2rd/3rd round pick at the moment.

i read that he fumbled 5/11 snaps from under center today too

Haha that's awesome.

that shouldn't be an issue going forward, learning to take snaps isn't difficult... i just mean the technical part of getting the ball in your hand and not fumbling obv not the rest of it which is definitely a big learning curve. playing with a new center on day 1 of practice also part of the issue there ldo.

You'd think he'd do extensive practice taking snaps before going to something like this.

Yeah, I'd be practicing the **** out of taking snaps under center while in college if I were a legit pro prospect. I would hire somebody to train me and work on it at least 5-10 hours a week. I mean outside of my duty with the team in college.

Yeah, but the key is reading the coverage as you drop back, which he has absolutely zero experience doing. He's doomed to be Alex Smith v2.0.

Yeah, taking the snap and keeping an eye on and reading the defense while getting into your drop while sensing and avoiding pressure... without a lot of practice seems like this would take quite some time to learn. It can be done obviously but with these issues on top of mechanical issues that make Byron Leftwich look fundamentally sound makes me think like he wouldn't be worth the risk earlier than about the 4th round. His size and athletic combo is right there with anybody who ever played though, obv not total garbage prospect.

He really should be drafted faster as a utility prospect than as a QB in any non-Wildcat context, imo.

if that report is true then meyer should take a lot of blame for it.

meh.

I don't see why it'd be Urban's fault. His main job is to win college games, not to prepare his players for the NFL.

I wonder where Tebow gets drafted if he plays at USC. And furthermore if you are an elite high school recruit why wouldn't you go to a college to develop pro fundamentals? Just in terms of a business decision. Playing in some spread offense is spew. It's like (bad analogy alert!) studying literature in order to get a job on wall street. It can be done but why? This assumes Tebow's goal is to play pro football eventually ldo. Not Meyer's fault for making him into the best QB for UF.

I posted this in the JETS season thread in response to someone defending Kerry Rhodes by saying Rex compared him to Ed Reed. It was so good I decided to share it.

"LOL at takin Rex seriously. Every day the guy wakes up and takes the best dump of his life. Then he eats the best breakfast he ever had. Then he goes to the training facility and has the best practice ever. Then he goes home and has the best dinner ever before turning in for the best sleep of his life.

And you know why? It's because a guy that freakin fat knows he might drop dead any second from a heart attack so he appreciates things more."

why is he still taking snaps at qb anyways? clearly he's going to be somewhere else.

Tebow was clearly born to be a spread QB. I don't remember what schools he was deciding between, but I'm guessing Carroll didn't go hard after him because he's not a USC-style QB. You can't stick a Tebow in a pro-style system as a freshman and expect him to be just as good. Had he gone to USC, he might have stunk, lost his job, or never even played. It's not like colleges magically transform these QBs; they're born with certain skills, and it's obviously best for everyone if they choose a school that runs a system that fits their game.

I wouldn't say born to play certain styles. But certainly if you have been developed as a spread, run first QB since junior high, you will be much more successful at this in college.

One thing I am confused about though is why can't an NFL team run a spread, run heavy offense? Most players coming out of college are used to this system. Couldn't some terrible team like the Browns just draft offensive players who are very good at this and do well? I mean the whole offense and be serious about it, not something you do half-assed.

The Chiefs and Broncos are sort of doing it, but the main reason it isn't used is because it wouldn't work well. It works in colleges because defenders are smaller and slower, defensive schemes aren't as easy to crack, coaching is worse, players are stupider, etc. In the NFL, pretty much anything you throw at these guys will be figured out. The Wildcat is a perfect example of an unused system brought back from the dead: it worked extremely well at first, but it's lost some effectiveness because teams and coaches schemed to stop it.

I do think, though, that teams don't pass enough and would benefit from running "two minute drills" at random points during the game, but that's probably a widely accepted notion around here.

The Wildcat is working fine. Before Ronnie Brown went down the Fins were doing very good with it. Cribbs ran a variation on this effectively all season. I can't think of any other teams that were committed to it several times a game but there might be one or two slipped my mind.

The Jets did it with Brad Smith

Tebow is from Jacksonville. Its relatively close to UF in that if he wanted to go home he could. Remember these are 17 and 18 year olds making these decisions on where to go to college. Picking up and going across country seems easier to us now that we are older, but thats a damn scary thing to do when you are that age.

Thats just a small thing. Being a recruit and going on your 5 official visits a lot can happen during those visits that can help your decision. Depending on how your hosts were, what you did, ect. It goes on and on.

Not to mention if he went to USC with their proish style offense Tebow wouldn't have fit at the QB position just like he doesn't in the NFL. Imagine him competing against John David Booty and Mark Sanchez for a spot as a starting QB as opposed to just mixing it in with Chris Leak and then stepping in to start as a sophomore? Part of where you choose is who is ahead of you and part of going to the NFL is getting as many snaps as possible in college(unless you are Mark Sanchez).

And thats not everything. Just saying, a whole lot goes into a decision on where you are going to college(didn't even get into the "lol academics.")

Both those teams used the wildcat as a power run. Thats why they were the most successful. They also had the OLs that they could run unbalanced lines occasionally. Most teams went with always standard OL+going for huge yardage rather than just 3 yards and a cloud of dust. Wildcat, specifically for the Dolphins was their Power-I downhill formation.

Edit: I doubt we see the Dolphins run it much more btw. I believe it's hindering Henne's development and they've already screwed with the kid enough. Need to keep him on the field for now.

Tebow really needs to pray he gets drafted by a team with a established QB.
He needs to pull an Aaron Rodgers and ride the pine,practice and study for 2-3 years.

If he gets drafted and starts with-in a year or two he'll be toast.

Wisconsin DE O'Brien Schofield tore his ACL at Senior Bowl practice.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/82658497.html

It's working fine as a gimmick formation, which is its purpose. My point was that it, like the spread, wouldn't work if you based your entire NFL offense around it. It's still effective now, but it's obviously nowhere near as effective now as it was when they first used it against the Pats now that teams have prepared for it and come up with schemes to defend against it.