1. Oregon behind bama in any "accomplishment" rankings is absurd
2. Stanford ahead of OU in accomplishment rankings is nearly as absurd
3. Cincy lost to tenn when they had hunter and bray which is like a totally diff team
4. Houstons schedule to date is superAIDS. At least they end with two good games

Alabama is ahead of Oregon in all three Sagarin rankings /absurdness

1. LSU
2. Oklahoma State
3. Alabama
4. Oklahoma
5. Clemson
6. Oregon
7. Arkansas
8. Stanford
9. Virginia Tech
10. Houston
11. Wisconsin
12. South Carolina
13. Southern Cal
14. Michigan State
15. Boise State
16. Georgia
17. Michigan
18. Nebraska
19. Kansas State
20. Penn State
21. Baylor
22. Texas Christian
23. Texas
24. Auburn
25. Southern Mississippi

Seems like nearly all of your posts say something like this. Are you some kind of bitter OU fan or just a ******?

Anyway, on a non ******ed troll matter, TCU is probably more likely to make a BCS bowl than BSU now, but BSU is still very much in the hunt.

nice, that's nice.

also in Massey. Also in Colley matrix. In fact, in 5 out of the 6 BCS computer rankings.

lol GB?

I'm still not seeing it. There are bigger gaps between Arky and Bama than between Bama and LSU in both the polls and computer rankings. Arky has to pass Bama but not have LSU drop below Bama. I think it will take a lot of convincing for voters to forget how badly Arky was beaten by Bama and pass them in their rankings, especially after those close calls against Ole Miss and Vanderbilt. Any win convincing enough to do that will probably drop LSU below Bama.

I'd say your final top 2 11-1 finishings are approx:

LSU-Bama (Arky wins by 1-10 points) 80%
Bama-Arky (Arky wins by 11+ points) 15%
Arky - LSU (some sort of sweet spot) 5%

1. Other than Stanford who has Oregon beaten? The Arizona State win gets less impressive with every passing week. Penn State seems like they might just collapse, but ASU already has collapsed so for now PSU > ASU. Florida and Mississippi State are both better than Washington.
2. Agreed
3. Agreed but LOL Big East
4. Agreed

Yeah, everybody is ******ed, why is this a surprise?

Also accomplishment rankings != power rankings


To other things:
1. I am on an airplane right now. This blows my mind.
2. Austin confirmed best city ever

Mississippi state is 5-5 with wins over louisana tech, Memphis, Uab, Tennessee Martin and Kentucky. Read that again.

How am I supposed to have a rational conversation with someone who says that Mississippi state is better than Washington? Or asu or even Utah for that matter? It's just completely indefensible.

a wise man once told me not to overstate my case in an argument because it would invalidate the legitimate points I make, that man went on to win PCA 2011

Not sure how it can "absurd" that Bama is ahead of Oregon when

they are ahead in every poll
ahead in 5 or 6 computers
ahead in SOS (bama is 20, and Oregon is 26)
both lost to LSU, and Bama held them to 6 points in regulation.
LSU's toughest game was against Bama
LSU's 3rd toughest game was against Oregon (Mississippi State was tougher - up 3 going into 4th quarter. LSU was up 17 going into 4th quarter versus Oregon
both are 2-1 against top 30
best wins. Bama beat Arkansas and Penn state
Oregon beat Stanford and Arizona State
Arkansas is now ranked higher than Stanford (though I don't want to make a big deal on that because Stanford is still a favourite IMO)


But, if you consider all the above, a case could be made that Oregon should be higher than Bama. Especially if you think (as I do) that Stanford is better than Arkansas. Moreso if you think they are considerably better.

But, it can't be "absurd" that Bama is higher based on above. I think a reasonable person would say that Bama verus Oregon is a coin flip on a neutral field.

Say what you will about Stanford--they sure looked terrible last night.

That receiver with all the concussions, 10 years ago he starts that game, right?

42 for Mississippi State in Sagarin Predictor, Washington is 43. Not significant evidence for sure, but it's certainly a reasonable position to hold that they are the better team. Washington's wins over Eastern Washington, Hawaii, Colorado, Utah, Arizona, and Cal are pretty much nothing too. Washington has been getting blown out by good teams while Mississippi State has played good teams close. Losing to South Carolina by 2, @ Auburn by 7, and staying with LSU and Bama for awhile is more impressive to me than anything the Huskies have done.

Edit: at no point did i say Mississippi St > Arizona State, i did say Penn State > Arizona State though.

Oregon
Stanford
Southern Cal
Arizona State
Washington
California
don't want to keep ranking because they all lose a lot after that and I haven't watched them play much

The SEC West tiebreaker if Arkansas beats LSU is a huge cluster****. I'm pretty sure the computer rankings will have it LSU > Arkansas > Bama since LSU beat Oregon and Arkansas got both big games on the road while Bama got them both at home. Oregon could get wedged somewhere in between Arkansas and Bama too depending on how much credit they get for beating USC.

Then there's the polls. Right now, LSU's ranked #1, Bama's ranked #3, and Arkansas's ranked #6. If LSU loses to Arkansas, they have to drop to at least #3 because that's what happens every time the #1 team loses ever no matter what. Then the question is do they also drop below Arkansas. If Arkansas beats them by a large margin, I'm pretty sure they do because the H2H will be fresh in everyone's mind and a large margin will be considered definitive. If they beat them by a small margin, they may not, but it will still be very, very close. In a close situation, it should go to the computer rankings where LSU would have an advantage. So basically, if LSU loses by 10 or more, then they are likely the lowest rated team, and Alabama, the highest rated team will play for the SEC championship. If LSU loses a close game however, Arkansas is the lowest rated team, and LSU the 2nd-highest rated team will play for the SEC title. Then, it's all guesswork on how many voters will change their votes based on the weird tiebreaker, and the fact that LSU got a game with Georgia to put them back over Alabama, and it will be absolute chaos deciding who goes to the national championship.

Then on top of that, there's probably a scenario where Arkansas just really blows out LSU to the point that they're #2 in the polls ahead of Alabama, but Alabama still has the tiebreak for the SEC title. And much like the Alabama/LSU situation, the voters have to decide whether to switch their votes back after the SEC title game.

The most likely scenario is that LSU gang rapes our offensive line and wins by 17.

But, if we somehow win, this will be the biggest cluster in the history of the bcs.

THIS

I'm not the one who said it first, but lolboise. BSU is not in the hunt at all, much less very much. They have to win their conference to get in a BCS game (because no one's taking them as an at-large) and that's not going to happen.

Blind squirrel...besides, he gets excited riding on airplanes...

Think it's 90 years actually. 1921 vs. Oberlin they last lost to an in-state school.

A lot of it is scheduling. I don't think they played many in-state schools for a long period of time. Of course, there are no teams from within the state that are any good (Cincinnati is the first to really do so), occasionally you'll see a good team like Miami or Toledo, but the odds they are good the same year they play Ohio State is low.

There have been a few times teams have come close, most recently Toledo had a shot. Cincinnati had a shot a few years ago, Ohio played close for a half.

Cincinnati would have a decent shot at us this year. We beat Toledo with Bauserman once, while they would have a shot, it wouldn't be a big one. Ohio is even worse, so I'm not concerned about them.

a Penn State "collapse" won't really mean anything since they were already just a house of cards. They have really only played 2 decent opponents so far this season, and lost both games. Their schedule has been a joke, and they have struggled against some baaaad teams. They should have lost to Illinois, should have lost to Temple, and only beat Indiana (Indiana!) by 6. There is a decent chance that ASU>PSU. And Penn State will likely finish with losses to tOSU and Wisconsin.

PSU > Illinois > ASU tho

I was looking forward to a week 12 thread, but I looked up the schedule and man, week 12 is going to suck.

Week 13 will be ridic though obviously

How likely is it that Oregon could jump Bama with an impressive win over USC? Bama's SOS will take a huge hit playing an FCS team this week.

Week 12 sucks so bad that College Gameday will be in Houston for SMU-Houston.

I'm ONLY arguing from an "accomplishment" perspective, then making an argument that your weights of accomplishment vs. power rating throughout your top-25 should be logically consistent.

If you rank Bama > Oregon, then you also should have Clemson and PSU and K-State and Houston relatively lower and Wisconsin and UGA relatively higher.