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12-04-2016 , 05:18 PM
Michigan-Clemson for max coach douchebaggery
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12-04-2016 , 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Heroball
Neutral field would be -5ish. Probably where it settles.
what are you basing that on?
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12-04-2016 , 05:54 PM
I hate Jimbo soooo much but the new transitive property theorems that will pop up all over SE if Michigan wins would be awful as well.
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12-04-2016 , 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by wombat4hire
I hate Jimbo soooo much but the new transitive property theorems that will pop up all over SE if Michigan wins would be awful as well.
I think NDSU's win over Iowa already bridges Michigan < Ivy League.
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12-04-2016 , 06:57 PM
Lsu vs Louisville should be fun.

Nebraska vs Tennesee might have the most lulz of the entire bowl season as both teams have been delivering the lulz all year.

Florida vs Iowa will probably suck.

And all the New Years six bowls are all solid matchups. I'm liking this bowl season NCAAF College Football final 4 debate thread 2016
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12-04-2016 , 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by AUGUY55
Lsu vs Louisville should be fun.

Nebraska vs Tennesee might have the most lulz of the entire bowl season as both teams have been delivering the lulz all year.

Florida vs Iowa will probably suck.

And all the New Years six bowls are all solid matchups. I'm liking this bowl season NCAAF College Football final 4 debate thread 2016
Agree with all of it.
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12-04-2016 , 07:24 PM
looks like they got it right

On another note, Big 12 commish had a pretty interesting statement today:

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Obviously I acknowledge the difficulty of the task, but I'm not sure what I advise my members right now, because we've been telling them that nonconference schedules matter, and one of the four has an exceedingly weak nonconference schedule. And we've been telling them the 13th data point matters, and we added a conference championship game because of that. We've always heard that conference championships matter and division championships matter, and now it's confusing.

I'm just looking for clarity. We didn't have a team that was a likely participant in the playoff, and so from that standpoint it doesn't make a lot of difference to us this year, but I'd just like to know what we're supposed to advise our members. Does the 13th data point make a difference, or does it not? Does the conference championship game make a difference, or does it not? Are they only used as tiebreakers, or is it other metrics?

In TCU's case, they fell out of the playoff. They had a great year and had a Heisman Trophy candidate at quarterback and won by 50 points on the last day of the season, but we were told the reason they didn't get in, the reason they fell, was they didn't have a 13th data point and they didn't have a championship. Now I think it's reasonable to seek clarity on that, and when the time is right, I will ask those questions.
Source being an espn blurb: http://www.espn.com/college-football...s-make-playoff



I find it interesting for a few reasons:

1. Nowhere mentioned is number of losses or number of wins. He's throwing shade at Washington and he's throwing shade at OSU, but he never brings up that they are the 1 loss teams and they got in over the 2 loss teams. He's discussing 13th data points and hiring data analysts, but not really factoring in "what was your record" which seems to be one of the earliest data points.

2. The talk about OOC scheduling - and forcing the entire conference to play a P5 team and limit FCS teams - is interesting when looking at #1. Is SOS or Wins/Losses the more important factor? It's clear he thinks it's the 1st (given the shade at the X-1 teams), but if that's not the case then moving forward why would you let your big teams schedule really good ooc opponents? If Oklahoma played UTSA instead of Ohio State, would their playoff chances be better or worse at the end of the year?

3. The distinct inability to realize this is a fluid situation year to year and not a strict algorithm. By bringing up TCU in relation to OSU this year, we see a person that's not really recognizing how 2 conference champs with the same record being broken by tiebreakers is different from an X-1 team that beat #3 in its last game getting in over a 2 loss team with a conference title. There's no overarching point here. Just kind of fascinating.
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12-04-2016 , 07:43 PM
Lol NFL. CFB rules
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12-04-2016 , 07:47 PM
everyone analyzing the selection is an idiot because they ignore that when comparing teams one is better in some metrics and one is better in others and instead just say "OBVIOUSLY the committee thinks head to head/nonconference schedule/conf championship/uniform color DOESNT MATTER" to make their point
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12-04-2016 , 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Booker Wolfbox
It's starting to look like I may have to terminate my personal "never root for USC in anything ever" policy.
something something 49-10

(only doing this cus didd gets mad)
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12-04-2016 , 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by skiier04
what are you basing that on?


inpredictable.com has them as ~5ish points better. Pinny has USC -6.5 posted now.
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12-04-2016 , 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by schu_22
Ah yes, barely losing on the road to a hot Iowa team without their QB, then losing on the road in OT to the 2nd best team in the nation. Quite the chokers they are.

You lost to Pitt and were destroyed by that same team, your resume is much worse
Didn't the Michigan QB get hurt vs Iowa with like 3 min left in the game - hardly "without their QB." Then they looked bad against a team in Indiana who was beaten at home by Wake Forest. But yeah, good loss to end that 1-2 end of season run. Not worthy.
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12-04-2016 , 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by JimHalpert
looks like they got it right

On another note, Big 12 commish had a pretty interesting statement today:



Source being an espn blurb: http://www.espn.com/college-football...s-make-playoff



I find it interesting for a few reasons:

1. Nowhere mentioned is number of losses or number of wins. He's throwing shade at Washington and he's throwing shade at OSU, but he never brings up that they are the 1 loss teams and they got in over the 2 loss teams. He's discussing 13th data points and hiring data analysts, but not really factoring in "what was your record" which seems to be one of the earliest data points.

2. The talk about OOC scheduling - and forcing the entire conference to play a P5 team and limit FCS teams - is interesting when looking at #1. Is SOS or Wins/Losses the more important factor? It's clear he thinks it's the 1st (given the shade at the X-1 teams), but if that's not the case then moving forward why would you let your big teams schedule really good ooc opponents? If Oklahoma played UTSA instead of Ohio State, would their playoff chances be better or worse at the end of the year?

3. The distinct inability to realize this is a fluid situation year to year and not a strict algorithm. By bringing up TCU in relation to OSU this year, we see a person that's not really recognizing how 2 conference champs with the same record being broken by tiebreakers is different from an X-1 team that beat #3 in its last game getting in over a 2 loss team with a conference title. There's no overarching point here. Just kind of fascinating.
Given how the Big12 has ten members, I could believe he is genuinely confused as to why Ohio State is ranked higher than Oklahoma.
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12-04-2016 , 09:57 PM
Funny stat

Will Muschamp is coaching in the Birmingham bowl for the third straight year with three different teams
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12-04-2016 , 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by DeadMoneyWalking
I think NDSU's win over Iowa already bridges Michigan < Ivy League.
Enjoy your bowl game
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12-04-2016 , 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
I disagree, but I get where you're coming from

I think they want the Bama-tOSU matchup (ratings!) so rigging to assure that it happens wouldn't surprise me
Ratings bump for that is orders of magnitude less than the ratings bump of Bama and tOSU having 2 games each, or even just one of them having 2 games

Hell, it might even be better for the first round money to have them in separate games
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12-04-2016 , 11:12 PM
I was thinking the same thing but couldn't word it better.

Also, lol at "rigging" when tOSU is -3.
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12-04-2016 , 11:15 PM
somebody start up the minor bowl games thread
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12-04-2016 , 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by AngerPush
somebody start up the minor bowl games thread


Shouldn't we do just an all bowl games thread? Minus the playoff games, of course. Feel like we go thru this every year because once New Years comes around people are dumb and don't know what bowl game is "minor" or "major" and people end up posting in both threads about the wrong bowl game. I think threads were merged last year on New Year's Day for that reason.

I vote all bowl games thread - minus playoff games

Last edited by AUGUY55; 12-04-2016 at 11:37 PM. Reason: Maybe I'm being a nit I dunno
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12-04-2016 , 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by AngerPush
somebody start up the minor bowl games thread


We can call it the Michigan/Penn State Bowl Games Thread.
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12-04-2016 , 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by AUGUY55
I vote all bowl games thread - minus playoff games
sounds good...get to work!
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12-04-2016 , 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by 702guy
sounds good...get to work!


Of course. Haha. Yeh I can do it since I'm apparently the resident college football thread maker this year, lol. Can't guarantee it'll be awesome though NCAAF College Football final 4 debate thread 2016
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12-05-2016 , 12:02 AM
Minor Bowl Games aka Redundancy Thread.
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12-05-2016 , 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted by arcdog
Didn't the Michigan QB get hurt vs Iowa with like 3 min left in the game - hardly "without their QB." Then they looked bad against a team in Indiana who was beaten at home by Wake Forest. But yeah, good loss to end that 1-2 end of season run. Not worthy.


No he got hurt way earlier and sucked the rest of the game. He got knocked out for good at the end.


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12-05-2016 , 01:53 AM
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Originally Posted by AUGUY55
Harbaugh vs jimbo will be entertaining.
steak and cocaine is always a good combo
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