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11-19-2014 , 10:15 PM
Cutcliffe seems due for a massive raise.

Seems ridiculous that Franklin makes $1mil more per year than Richt.

Does Brian Kelly really make less than the coach at Navy?

Rutgers appears to have the lowest paid P5 coach.
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11-19-2014 , 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by BigPoppa
Does Brian Kelly really make less than the coach at Navy?
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Does that include bonuses for knee injuries?
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11-20-2014 , 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by BigPoppa
Coaching salaries

Mullen, Richrod, Freeze, and Briles all make around $3mil (as do Petrino and Graham if you're looking for a stone cold mercenary), so plenty of room for a big spender to give them a massive raise.

Bob Stoops is already the 3rd highest paid coach in CFB.
List is misleading; includes whatever was paid out that year including deferred from previous years and not including anything deferred from that year. Sometimes buyouts are included in the salary line, sometimes your bonuses accrue for 3 years then show up in this one, etc. things like this are how accountants pull shenanigans depending on which group their bosses want to convince of what. Shenanigans. Shannahan? Coincidence? You'd like to think that, wouldn't you.

No Brian Kelly does not make less than the coach at Navy.

EDIT: Riverman; Not Hoke. That is about his correct rate (slightly low, actually). Also by firing him, you are effectively giving him a big raise. Have a nice day.

Last edited by Holliday; 11-20-2014 at 11:13 AM.
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11-20-2014 , 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Holliday
List is misleading; includes whatever was paid out that year including deferred from previous years and not including anything deferred from that year. Sometimes buyouts are included in the salary line, sometimes your bonuses accrue for 3 years then show up in this one, etc. things like this are how accountants pull shenanigans depending on which group their bosses want to convince of what. Shenanigans. Shannahan? Coincidence? You'd like to think that, wouldn't you.

No Brian Kelly does not make less than the coach at Navy.

EDIT: Riverman; Not Hoke. That is about his correct rate (slightly low, actually). Also by firing him, you are effectively giving him a big raise. Have a nice day.
also the private schools dont need to release any of the contract details so for guys like Kelly it is just rumors and guesstimates. I'd suspect Kelly is in the top 20 for sure.
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11-20-2014 , 01:38 PM
Is Bo Pelini safe?


Last year it looked like he might be on very thin ice, then they were doing ok this year so criticism died down, then MG dropped 408 on them.


Wisconsin might've gotten Bo fired just by keeping Gordon in the game for the 4th. Maybe that's why they didn't.
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11-20-2014 , 02:00 PM
Salary data is wrong, is hoke makes about 4m.
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11-20-2014 , 02:28 PM
Bo is sadly safe

*punches hole in wall*
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11-20-2014 , 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
Salary data is wrong, is hoke makes about 4m.
Def. not 100% accurate. Dantonio is second this year due to getting a $2 mill one time retention bonus in January after the Rose Bowl win. So his salary is about $2 mill to high. He makes about $3.64 mill annually normally.
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11-20-2014 , 05:06 PM
Believe that's after a raise and extension after the rose bowl as well. But yeah, hoke is paid more than dantonio.... Think that makes it worse not better
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11-20-2014 , 06:17 PM
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also the private schools dont need to release any of the contract details so for guys like Kelly it is just rumors and guesstimates. I'd suspect Kelly is in the top 20 for sure.
The net salary has to be reported to the IRS, although we don't necessarily know that it's Brian Kelly. There's other compensation that doesn't go through ND.
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11-23-2014 , 08:29 AM
Heard on local sports talk radio that Mike Gundy really wants the Florida job. Wonder how much truth there is to this. Do him and the okie st AD have bad blood between them or something?
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11-23-2014 , 10:23 AM
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Heard on local sports talk radio that Mike Gundy really wants the Florida job. Wonder how much truth there is to this. Do him and the okie st AD have bad blood between them or something?
Supposedly T Boone and Gundy don't get along.
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11-23-2014 , 08:57 PM
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I'd actually forgotten Fat Charlie was already fired by Kansas.


Their best bet should be to go the "hot young coordinator" route (preferably an OC with an explosive offense) and hope they get lucky. There are no "safe" hires for a team like Kansas, so they should embrace the variance and #YOLO it up.
RUMOR HAS IR DEREK MASON IS A HOT COMMODITY.

Plz never talk about college football again bigpoppa. You are always wrong. Always.
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11-23-2014 , 09:11 PM
wondering if some team will come looking for Scott Frost sometime soon.

i'm not trying to say this is the reason why, but it's an interesting bit of trivia

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Frost was coached by some of the legendary football coaching minds of all time, including Stanford’s Bill Walsh, Nebraska’s Tom Osborne, the New York Jets’ Bill Parcells and Bill Belichick, and Jon Gruden.
*edit: he's been both D-coordinator at northern iowa and O-coordinator at oregon.

also curious to see if Justin Wilcox has a ceiling higher than D-coordinator.

Last edited by REDeYeS00; 11-23-2014 at 09:16 PM.
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11-23-2014 , 09:28 PM
I will explain more fully, even though non-tards already know what I was saying.

No winning P5 HC is leaving their job for Kansas (or Vandy, or Wake, or Cal or any of the other P5 schools without a huge fanbase or winning tradition). So your primary choices are:

1) Retread P5 HC

2) Mid-major/FCS coach

3) Coordinator from P5 team


#1 is almost never a good idea. If Charlie Weis can't win at Notre Dame, how the **** is he going to win at Kansas?


#2 is better, but you are more likely to end up with years of mediocrity (Bobby Johnson) or a total flop (Derek Dooley) than you are to catch lightning in a bottle. Best bet here is someone with an innovative offense that's just lighting up the sky, but you're usually competing with bigger programs for those guys.


#3 is very high risk/high reward. Sometimes you get James Franklin, sometimes you get Derek Mason. Generally, good OCs seem to make better HC than good DCs. It's probably a function of an OC being more willing to take the kind of chances you need to win with the deck stacked against you.

But if you're Vandy playing in the SEC or Kansas playing in the Big12, then you embrace the variance and roll those ****ing dice.

The best bet, if you can find him, is a good coordinator who has moved up to mid-major HC and done well. But these guys are often holding out for better jobs because they are a desirable commodity in limited supply.


Cliffs: Embrace the variance and roll those ****ing dice

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11-23-2014 , 09:46 PM
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John Bacon's book on the RichRod thing is really good.

The biggest meaningful negative is that he basically didn't attempt to recruit offensive lineman, and that's still impacting Michigan today.
Which isn't the worst strategy for RR. He could put you at LT, Dr Ikes at Center and Riverman at RT and get 5.4 ypc.
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11-24-2014 , 03:48 AM
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John Bacon's book on the RichRod thing is really good.

The biggest meaningful negative is that he basically didn't attempt to recruit offensive lineman, and that's still impacting Michigan today.
I don't believe that. Hoke is in year 4, if they don't have linemen by now that is on him. Bielema has transformed the Arkansas offensive line in less than two years. It would be a hell of a lot easier to transform a line at Michigan than Arkansas.
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11-24-2014 , 04:20 AM
List of players Hoke has "coached up":
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11-24-2014 , 05:14 AM
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List of players Hoke has "coached up":
There are players, basically all on defense that have gotten better over 4 years. The defense under Matteson has actually gotten better every year and has played pretty well all year. The offensive side of the ball is just a complete clusterf*ck devoid of any hope or improvement.
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11-24-2014 , 10:07 AM
Any defensive lineman specifically. Everything else has been a disaster.
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11-24-2014 , 09:36 PM
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List of players Hoke has "coached up":
My biggest gripe about Hoke is his inability and the staffs inability to coach up players whereas you look at East Lansing and they are turning * and ** into first or early second day players
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11-24-2014 , 09:42 PM
Oh Hoke and his OL coach can't coach for **** and it shows, but part of how that got exposed was having to play dudes well before they were early because RichRod had like' zero guards.
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11-24-2014 , 09:58 PM
Yeah, I mean Michigan is starting a freshman at LT! this year.

Richrod had Jake Fisher committed out of Traverse City West and he's now starting at Oregon iirc
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11-24-2014 , 10:07 PM
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Oh Hoke and his OL coach can't coach for **** and it shows, but part of how that got exposed was having to play dudes well before they were early because RichRod had like' zero guards.
dude bull****. RR done in 2009. Hoke has had 3 full recruiting classes at this point plus the one after the disaster created by firing RR so late.

Meanwhile in reality land: Lewan and Schofield exist.... Rich Rod left Hoke with two high NFL draft picks on that oline and did precisely dick with them. Hoke has missed hard on multiple well regarded recruits, and worst of all, the young ones don't seem to be getting better.
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