i've definitely been abrasive and obnoxious in this thread but i'm right. the zone is a total travesty and exploitable, and i'm sure i'll have to argue otherwise once again next year

lol marquette

i forgot to include you, sorry =/

wat

I avoided the zone argument like the plague. I think I made one comment that you were being annoying in your 40 straight posts of anti-Syracuse /anti-zone talk.

Good rant though.

i mighta jus included you for hating

if you don't believe in the zone then i apologize
we stick together even if you don't like me

idk, just off the top of my head, i can def see it being 20-25 range, but if you were going to "range" it i think you'd be a lot more honest saying 20-40 range than top 25.

i guess im not really sure... but it feels like they're in such a squeeze with the d1 programs around them. where do you think they rank in the ACC? are they definitely the 4-5th best job? is it possible it's the 6-7th best job?

i dont' know enough about the acc i guess, but i would have thought it was on par with the middle of most of the major conferences, and in contention with the very very top midmajor jobs (that's how i came up with top 50).

you know more about the acc tho i guess or maybe their resources. from the outside, it doesn't look good.

I much prefer man-to-man but I do think the zone has its positives. While I like Boeheim, I will never understand why he doesn't run any man to man from what I can tell. I remember them losing an exhibition game last year where they ran man all game and it was an epic fail. Overall, I much prefer man but do think the ability to throw zone in for a few minutes as a curveball can be a nice change of pace (see: Michigan vs. Duke).

It's all good with everything else.

Agreed zone has it's place, I just never quite got why people thought zone as a UNC beater. Bad 3pt shooting doesn't really mean zone beats you, and Marq played a zone-ish defense tonight and UNC did a rly good job exploiting it. I think we're lucking out of the tOSU D tho. UK is a very different game

It still prob the 4th best job in the ACC. Id put them in the 3rdish tier so ya maybe 20-35ish range off the top of my head...Id just did some very quick counting and Id say about 25thish

Sullinger says he's returning to OSU next year.

wow really ******ed if true

Eh, standard thing to say after the emotion of a loss. Would be ******ed if he does.

Please, the OSU boosters will make up for it

NC State should be a top 20 job. Still can't believe they ran Sendek out of town.

lol cvag gonna cvag

Once a team lost a game playing man to man defense, thus all man to man defense is bad strategy against decent teams

haters gonna hate
don't hear them much now tho

sure your argument will sound purrrrrrrrrrre next year again

kentucky,

please play a 2-3 zone like marquettelol did!

Nothing in sports is more of a non-story then the "Player X will return to school next year" after the conclusion of their season. It's got to be 50/50 at best if they change their mind.

agreed, sullinger statement rly odd and definitely not definitive

idk, he seems pretty sure of it

There was a twitter post from his brother about buying season tickets for next years games.

I buy it. He's seen a ton of big men before him from Ohio State go to the NBA and be complete duds. He still needs to improve his game to be a real presence in the NBA. He either does it riding the pine for an NBA team, or he plays 35 minutes a night for Ohio State next year. While he'd be giving up millions in one sense, it might be a better long-term choice to be better prepared and come out in better form. He's not giving up as much as people might think. He does have the risk of injury (but he has that in the NBA also), and insurance policies can cover a lot of that risk. His family is not desperate for money, so he can wait a year. I don't think he can make a decision that is that wrong. There are benefits and drawbacks of both.

Anyone who watched last night's game shows he still needs a bit of polish.

as a uconn fan...idk why every team in the country doesnt zone us

Big 10 is out and BE has 1 team left but the SEC has 2 teams............who would have thunk. Obviously my SEC homer friend who picked UK and UF in the F4.

sad the Ohio State thread got locked.

I was about to pile on the Tressel smacking pointing out their basketball team has been less than clean over the years. Randy Ayers was involved in some big stuff in early 90s. Jim O'Brien was brought in to "clean up the program." LOL. That ended with big funds going to players, vacated final four, and more NCAA issues.

Look at Tressel's track record:
"Over the course of his career, Tressel has had players who drew the NCAA’s attention.

While Tressel was coach at Youngstown State, of Division I’s Football Championship Subdivision, quarterback Ray Isaac was accused of accepting improper benefits including cars from boosters. Years later, the university admitted to the infractions and faced minor penalties.

The player who led Ohio State to its first national championship in 34 years, tailback Maurice Clarett, also involved Tressel in some NCAA problems. After the Buckeyes beat Miami in the BCS National Championship Game following the 2002 season, Clarett was suspended for receiving improper benefits from Buckeyes boosters.

Clarett, who never played another collegiate game, also accused the university of academic fraud in its dealings with athletes’ academics.

Troy Smith, Tressel’s quarterback who won the Heisman Trophy in 2006, was suspended for the Alamo Bowl at the end of the 2004 season and for the first two games of the 2005 season for taking money from a booster.

In May of 2009, The Columbus Dispatch reported that since 2000, Ohio State had reported to the NCAA more than 375 violations — the most of any of the 69 Football Bowl Subdivision schools that provided documents to the newspaper through public-records requests. Most of the infractions were minor and resulted in little or no punishment."
source: Adam Rittenber's Big Ten blog on ESPN

Remember Robert Smith having to quit the football team since the coaches wouldn't let him take real classes.

Let's not kid ourselves: Ohio State is fast on the heels of what is being done at Kentucky.

No one pays Illinois players. But that's because none are worth it

A Louisville fan is seriously arguing with EVERYONE on Facebook right now that UNC is a much, much better team than tOSU and that they will blow UK out by 12.